WI: H-bombs available in unlimited quantities in 1942

[jerry kraus]

So, let's suppose alien space bats take a look at the world in 1942, and say, "Hey, these humans want total war, let's give them total war!" So, they make available all the H-bombs they want to all the major players in WWII -- Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, Hirohito, Mussolini and even Petain, can get their hands on all the functioning H-bombs they want. What happens, exactly?

[Chrysi Cat]

Post by jerry kraus
So, let's suppose alien space bats take a look at the world in 1942, and say, "Hey, these humans want total war, let's give them total war!" So, they make available all the H-bombs they want to all the major players in WWII -- Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, Hirohito, Mussolini and even Petain, can get their hands on all the functioning H-bombs they want. What happens, exactly?

Remember Einstein's quote about how the war after WWIII would be fought
with rocks? If Germany has workable delivery systems, they make OTL
Israel's "Samson Option" look gentle (although admittedly, that assumes
that the first action isn't an allied decapitation strike on Berlin,
which would be the smartest thing, because if Hitler realises the rest
of the world also has the Bomb, he'll realise that Germany is doomed.
And we all know that Hitler believed in tearing down the world if his
Reich wasn't in it). The question isn't whether any modern civilisation
survives, but whether H. sapiens does at all. And while it's not _as_
impossible to ever develop a technological society as it would be 30
years and more later, sufficient quantities of iron are no longer where
they were deposited, that ever getting back to even the Steam Age will
take a lot of extra work even if humans _do_ survive.

OTOH, you *didn't* say anything about a workable delivery system, and
without one, it's a race to see who can develop one the enemy can't
defend against. Most likely, the B-29 is still the first nuclear-capable
aircraft; if it's incapable of carrying the H-bomb in question, we could
be waiting until someone can deliver a B-36 analogue (or just until the
Nazis figure out how to replace the warhead on a V-2, in which case,
back to the first paragraph). If the US wins, decapitation strikes,
probably of both Germany and the USSR. Japan may or may not also need
one; Italy probably won't, but is still an Axis state at this time, so
may still face one.

[Zebee Johnstone]

In soc.history.what-if on Mon, 2 Apr 2018 15:23:47 -0600

Post by Chrysi Cat

Post by jerry kraus
So, let's suppose alien space bats take a look at the world in 1942, and say, "Hey, these humans want total war, let's give them total war!" So, they make available all the H-bombs they want to all the major players in WWII -- Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, Hirohito, Mussolini and even Petain, can get their hands on all the functioning H-bombs they want. What happens, exactly?

Remember Einstein's quote about how the war after WWIII would be fought
with rocks? If Germany has workable delivery systems, they make OTL
Israel's "Samson Option" look gentle (although admittedly, that assumes
that the first action isn't an allied decapitation strike on Berlin,
which would be the smartest thing, because if Hitler realises the rest
of the world also has the Bomb, he'll realise that Germany is doomed.
And we all know that Hitler believed in tearing down the world if his
Reich wasn't in it). The question isn't whether any modern civilisation
survives, but whether H. sapiens does at all. And while it's not _as_
impossible to ever develop a technological society as it would be 30
years and more later, sufficient quantities of iron are no longer where
they were deposited, that ever getting back to even the Steam Age will
take a lot of extra work even if humans _do_ survive.

Where can those H bombs be delivered?

The US could bomb Japan, can Germany bomb China or Australia?

Japanese bombers got to Darwin but that's a long way from the rest of
Oz, and a long way from the iron ore in the Kimberlies. (Which wasn't
found till well after the war, but maybe this makes more people want
to find it so someone else notices the resemblance to the iron
deposits in Africa?)

How many bombs and what are the prevailing winds? If we are just
talking Europe and Germany here, then doesn't that mean the US, China,
Australia/NZ are still alive and more or less kicking?

If the Japanese get the US before the US gets them, what does that
mean? What delivery methods do they have, and who do they bomb?

Zebee

[SolomonW]

Post by Zebee Johnstone
In soc.history.what-if on Mon, 2 Apr 2018 15:23:47 -0600

Post by Chrysi Cat

Post by jerry kraus
So, let's suppose alien space bats take a look at the world in 1942, and say, "Hey, these humans want total war, let's give them total war!" So, they make available all the H-bombs they want to all the major players in WWII -- Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, Hirohito, Mussolini and even Petain, can get their hands on all the functioning H-bombs they want. What happens, exactly?

Remember Einstein's quote about how the war after WWIII would be fought
with rocks? If Germany has workable delivery systems, they make OTL
Israel's "Samson Option" look gentle (although admittedly, that assumes
that the first action isn't an allied decapitation strike on Berlin,
which would be the smartest thing, because if Hitler realises the rest
of the world also has the Bomb, he'll realise that Germany is doomed.
And we all know that Hitler believed in tearing down the world if his
Reich wasn't in it). The question isn't whether any modern civilisation
survives, but whether H. sapiens does at all. And while it's not _as_
impossible to ever develop a technological society as it would be 30
years and more later, sufficient quantities of iron are no longer where
they were deposited, that ever getting back to even the Steam Age will
take a lot of extra work even if humans _do_ survive.

Where can those H bombs be delivered?
The US could bomb Japan, can Germany bomb China or Australia?
Japanese bombers got to Darwin but that's a long way from the rest of
Oz, and a long way from the iron ore in the Kimberlies. (Which wasn't
found till well after the war, but maybe this makes more people want
to find it so someone else notices the resemblance to the iron
deposits in Africa?)
How many bombs and what are the prevailing winds? If we are just
talking Europe and Germany here, then doesn't that mean the US, China,
Australia/NZ are still alive and more or less kicking?
If the Japanese get the US before the US gets them, what does that
mean? What delivery methods do they have, and who do they bomb?
Zebee

Submarine, most large cities are near the sea.

[jerry kraus]

Post by Zebee Johnstone
In soc.history.what-if on Mon, 2 Apr 2018 15:23:47 -0600

Post by Chrysi Cat

Post by jerry kraus
So, let's suppose alien space bats take a look at the world in 1942, and say, "Hey, these humans want total war, let's give them total war!" So, they make available all the H-bombs they want to all the major players in WWII -- Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, Hirohito, Mussolini and even Petain, can get their hands on all the functioning H-bombs they want. What happens, exactly?

Remember Einstein's quote about how the war after WWIII would be fought
with rocks? If Germany has workable delivery systems, they make OTL
Israel's "Samson Option" look gentle (although admittedly, that assumes
that the first action isn't an allied decapitation strike on Berlin,
which would be the smartest thing, because if Hitler realises the rest
of the world also has the Bomb, he'll realise that Germany is doomed.
And we all know that Hitler believed in tearing down the world if his
Reich wasn't in it). The question isn't whether any modern civilisation
survives, but whether H. sapiens does at all. And while it's not _as_
impossible to ever develop a technological society as it would be 30
years and more later, sufficient quantities of iron are no longer where
they were deposited, that ever getting back to even the Steam Age will
take a lot of extra work even if humans _do_ survive.

Where can those H bombs be delivered?
The US could bomb Japan, can Germany bomb China or Australia?
Japanese bombers got to Darwin but that's a long way from the rest of
Oz, and a long way from the iron ore in the Kimberlies. (Which wasn't
found till well after the war, but maybe this makes more people want
to find it so someone else notices the resemblance to the iron
deposits in Africa?)
How many bombs and what are the prevailing winds? If we are just
talking Europe and Germany here, then doesn't that mean the US, China,
Australia/NZ are still alive and more or less kicking?
If the Japanese get the US before the US gets them, what does that
mean? What delivery methods do they have, and who do they bomb?
Zebee

Zebee, I'm specifically omitting the issue of delivery systems, because, of course, you don't really have to get that close to a target to obliterate it with H-bombs.

But, you know what I think really would have happened, given that everyone knew everyone else had H-bombs? Peace would have broken out, immediately. Remember, Kim Jong-un is probably nuttier than Hitler ever was. Hitler never fed anyone to his dogs, remember, and, Hitler was very fond of his dogs! But, Kim never does any more than threaten the use of nuclear weapons, he never actually tries to use them. So, even Hitler probably would have refrained from using H-bombs, given, he knew everyone else had them. Same reason he refrained from using Gas, at least for military purposes. He'd just get as good as he got, or worse.

So, I would predict immediate peace negotiations on all sides, moderation of policies, return to 1939 borders. Probably, Hitler renounces the more extreme forms of antisemitism, Stalin agrees that Capitalism isn't all bad. Both the Soviets and the Nazis move towards having limited "democracy", just to get along. There's nothing that will make people more reasonable than fear of immediate annihilation, you know.

[The Horny Goat]

Post by Chrysi Cat
OTOH, you *didn't* say anything about a workable delivery system, and
without one, it's a race to see who can develop one the enemy can't
defend against. Most likely, the B-29 is still the first nuclear-capable
aircraft; if it's incapable of carrying the H-bomb in question, we could
be waiting until someone can deliver a B-36 analogue (or just until the
Nazis figure out how to replace the warhead on a V-2, in which case,
back to the first paragraph). If the US wins, decapitation strikes,
probably of both Germany and the USSR. Japan may or may not also need
one; Italy probably won't, but is still an Axis state at this time, so
may still face one.

Any country with a working H-Bomb but no means to deliver it would
surely make developing a method of delivery a top research project.

As long as the existence of the bomb were secret developing such an
aircraft need not be such a secret particularly after deployment of
the first "blockbuster" bomb of the sort used on the Rhine dams.

[jerry kraus]

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by Chrysi Cat
OTOH, you *didn't* say anything about a workable delivery system, and
without one, it's a race to see who can develop one the enemy can't
defend against. Most likely, the B-29 is still the first nuclear-capable
aircraft; if it's incapable of carrying the H-bomb in question, we could
be waiting until someone can deliver a B-36 analogue (or just until the
Nazis figure out how to replace the warhead on a V-2, in which case,
back to the first paragraph). If the US wins, decapitation strikes,
probably of both Germany and the USSR. Japan may or may not also need
one; Italy probably won't, but is still an Axis state at this time, so
may still face one.

Any country with a working H-Bomb but no means to deliver it would
surely make developing a method of delivery a top research project.

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Post by The Horny Goat
As long as the existence of the bomb were secret developing such an
aircraft need not be such a secret particularly after deployment of
the first "blockbuster" bomb of the sort used on the Rhine dams.

Ah, Horny, but, that's just the point. The existence of the H-bomb is emphatically NOT a secret! Everyone knows that all major players have the H-bomb, and that they're available in large quantities.

[Dimensional Traveler]

Post by Chrysi Cat

Post by jerry kraus
So, let's suppose alien space bats take a look at the world in 1942,
and say, "Hey, these humans want total war, let's give them total
war!"    So, they make available all the H-bombs they want to all the
major players in WWII -- Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, Hirohito,
Mussolini and even Petain, can get their hands on all the functioning
H-bombs they want.   What happens, exactly?

Remember Einstein's quote about how the war after WWIII would be fought
with rocks? If Germany has workable delivery systems, they make OTL
Israel's "Samson Option" look gentle (although admittedly, that assumes
that the first action isn't an allied decapitation strike on Berlin,
which would be the smartest thing, because if Hitler realises the rest
of the world also has the Bomb, he'll realise that Germany is doomed.
And we all know that Hitler believed in tearing down the world if his
Reich wasn't in it). The question isn't whether any modern civilisation
survives, but whether H. sapiens does at all. And while it's not _as_
impossible to ever develop a technological society as it would be 30
years and more later, sufficient quantities of iron are no longer where
they were deposited, that ever getting back to even the Steam Age will
take a lot of extra work even if humans _do_ survive.
OTOH, you *didn't* say anything about a workable delivery system, and
without one, it's a race to see who can develop one the enemy can't
defend against. Most likely, the B-29 is still the first nuclear-capable
aircraft; if it's incapable of carrying the H-bomb in question, we could
be waiting until someone can deliver a B-36 analogue (or just until the
Nazis figure out how to replace the warhead on a V-2, in which case,
back to the first paragraph). If the US wins, decapitation strikes,
probably of both Germany and the USSR. Japan may or may not also need
one; Italy probably won't, but is still an Axis state at this time, so
may still face one.

I'm not sure the V2 had the warhead capacity to deliver a fusion
warhead. If it does, Britain is F*CKED. I'm not sure how I'd describe
the Eastern Front. Germans lobbing nukes at Soviet forces as fast as
they can build V2s, the Soviets laying nuclear land mines against
advancing German forces. Where ever the front stablizes/collapses, it
isn't going to be pretty.

After that, it gets ugly. The US would have a very large lead in
designing and building large bombers capable of carrying nukes and
would, I expect, be the first to deploy such by at least a year in
significant numbers. (If there are no nuclear V2s, Britain joins in the
fun.) ASBs are supplying unlimited numbers of warheads, so imagine 1000
plane raids. With each aircraft carrying a nuke. The US nuclear carpet
bombs Europe as US/UK and German jets dogfight. Then Japan burns.

But then again by that point there will be few working ports anymore.
Submarine planted nuclear mines. Okay, Britain is FUBAR either way as
is Japan. Enough subs and one is going to get thru even when the ASW
ships have nuclear depth charges.

[jerry kraus]

Post by Chrysi Cat

Post by jerry kraus
So, let's suppose alien space bats take a look at the world in 1942, and say, "Hey, these humans want total war, let's give them total war!" So, they make available all the H-bombs they want to all the major players in WWII -- Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, Hirohito, Mussolini and even Petain, can get their hands on all the functioning H-bombs they want. What happens, exactly?

Remember Einstein's quote about how the war after WWIII would be fought
with rocks? If Germany has workable delivery systems, they make OTL
Israel's "Samson Option" look gentle (although admittedly, that assumes
that the first action isn't an allied decapitation strike on Berlin,
which would be the smartest thing, because if Hitler realises the rest
of the world also has the Bomb, he'll realise that Germany is doomed.
And we all know that Hitler believed in tearing down the world if his
Reich wasn't in it). The question isn't whether any modern civilisation
survives, but whether H. sapiens does at all. And while it's not _as_
impossible to ever develop a technological society as it would be 30
years and more later, sufficient quantities of iron are no longer where
they were deposited, that ever getting back to even the Steam Age will
take a lot of extra work even if humans _do_ survive.
OTOH, you *didn't* say anything about a workable delivery system, and
without one, it's a race to see who can develop one the enemy can't
defend against. Most likely, the B-29 is still the first nuclear-capable
aircraft; if it's incapable of carrying the H-bomb in question, we could
be waiting until someone can deliver a B-36 analogue (or just until the
Nazis figure out how to replace the warhead on a V-2, in which case,
back to the first paragraph). If the US wins, decapitation strikes,
probably of both Germany and the USSR. Japan may or may not also need
one; Italy probably won't, but is still an Axis state at this time, so
may still face one.
--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!

Chris, let me just clarify an implicit point here. Everyone knows everyone else has the H-bomb, as well! The alien space bats publicly announce the offering and availability of these weapons, worldwide!

[Rich Rostrom]

Post by Chrysi Cat
OTOH, you *didn't* say anything about a workable delivery system, and
without one, it's a race to see who can develop one the enemy can't
defend against. Most likely, the B-29 is still the first nuclear-capable
aircraft...

The US W88 nuclear bomb weighs only about 360 kg. It is a
"fission-fusion-fission" weapon: an implosion-triggered
fission bomb causes fusion in an adjacent mass of lithium
deuteride, yielding a flood of neutrons which cause fission
(though not a chain reaction) in an enclosing blanket of
U-238. Since it has a fusion stage, it's an H-bomb.

Any number of WW II aircraft could deliver a 360 kg weapon.

Heck, even the Fairey Swordfish, a 1,900 kg _biplane_, could
carry a 760 kg torpedo.

Remember, there's no requirement that the bomb detonate
in air, so that the plane must be high enough and fast
to get clear of an air burst. The bomb could just be
parachuted to ground and detonate on a timer after say
10 minutes; even a Swordfish could get 38 km away in
that time.

[Dimensional Traveler]

Post by Rich Rostrom

Post by Chrysi Cat
OTOH, you *didn't* say anything about a workable delivery system, and
without one, it's a race to see who can develop one the enemy can't
defend against. Most likely, the B-29 is still the first nuclear-capable
aircraft...

The US W88 nuclear bomb weighs only about 360 kg. It is a
"fission-fusion-fission" weapon: an implosion-triggered
fission bomb causes fusion in an adjacent mass of lithium
deuteride, yielding a flood of neutrons which cause fission
(though not a chain reaction) in an enclosing blanket of
U-238. Since it has a fusion stage, it's an H-bomb.
Any number of WW II aircraft could deliver a 360 kg weapon.
Heck, even the Fairey Swordfish, a 1,900 kg _biplane_, could
carry a 760 kg torpedo.
Remember, there's no requirement that the bomb detonate
in air, so that the plane must be high enough and fast
to get clear of an air burst. The bomb could just be
parachuted to ground and detonate on a timer after say
10 minutes; even a Swordfish could get 38 km away in
that time.

What is the yield on a W88?

[Robert Woodward]

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Rich Rostrom

Post by Chrysi Cat
OTOH, you *didn't* say anything about a workable delivery system, and
without one, it's a race to see who can develop one the enemy can't
defend against. Most likely, the B-29 is still the first nuclear-capable
aircraft...

The US W88 nuclear bomb weighs only about 360 kg. It is a
"fission-fusion-fission" weapon: an implosion-triggered
fission bomb causes fusion in an adjacent mass of lithium
deuteride, yielding a flood of neutrons which cause fission
(though not a chain reaction) in an enclosing blanket of
U-238. Since it has a fusion stage, it's an H-bomb.
Any number of WW II aircraft could deliver a 360 kg weapon.
Heck, even the Fairey Swordfish, a 1,900 kg _biplane_, could
carry a 760 kg torpedo.
Remember, there's no requirement that the bomb detonate
in air, so that the plane must be high enough and fast
to get clear of an air burst. The bomb could just be
parachuted to ground and detonate on a timer after say
10 minutes; even a Swordfish could get 38 km away in
that time.

What is the yield on a W88?

According to Wikipedia (yes, I know), about 475 Kilotons, see
(<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W88>).

[Dimensional Traveler]

Post by Robert Woodward

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Rich Rostrom

Post by Chrysi Cat
OTOH, you *didn't* say anything about a workable delivery system, and
without one, it's a race to see who can develop one the enemy can't
defend against. Most likely, the B-29 is still the first nuclear-capable
aircraft...

The US W88 nuclear bomb weighs only about 360 kg. It is a
"fission-fusion-fission" weapon: an implosion-triggered
fission bomb causes fusion in an adjacent mass of lithium
deuteride, yielding a flood of neutrons which cause fission
(though not a chain reaction) in an enclosing blanket of
U-238. Since it has a fusion stage, it's an H-bomb.
Any number of WW II aircraft could deliver a 360 kg weapon.
Heck, even the Fairey Swordfish, a 1,900 kg _biplane_, could
carry a 760 kg torpedo.
Remember, there's no requirement that the bomb detonate
in air, so that the plane must be high enough and fast
to get clear of an air burst. The bomb could just be
parachuted to ground and detonate on a timer after say
10 minutes; even a Swordfish could get 38 km away in
that time.

What is the yield on a W88?

According to Wikipedia (yes, I know), about 475 Kilotons, see
(<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W88>).

Significantly greater than the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts (16 Kt and
~21 Kt). If the ASBs distribute equivalents of that, then I retract my
previous guess and replace it with "Everyone and everything is F*CKED."
When everyone can deliver them on just about any plane they have in
unlimited numbers, they're going to use them on _everything_. Some
parts of the western hemisphere and Siberia may escape bombing simply by
being out of range of the Axis powers but I can't even begin to guess
what would happen after everything collapses.

[jerry kraus]

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Robert Woodward

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by Rich Rostrom

Post by Chrysi Cat
OTOH, you *didn't* say anything about a workable delivery system, and
without one, it's a race to see who can develop one the enemy can't
defend against. Most likely, the B-29 is still the first nuclear-capable
aircraft...

The US W88 nuclear bomb weighs only about 360 kg. It is a
"fission-fusion-fission" weapon: an implosion-triggered
fission bomb causes fusion in an adjacent mass of lithium
deuteride, yielding a flood of neutrons which cause fission
(though not a chain reaction) in an enclosing blanket of
U-238. Since it has a fusion stage, it's an H-bomb.
Any number of WW II aircraft could deliver a 360 kg weapon.
Heck, even the Fairey Swordfish, a 1,900 kg _biplane_, could
carry a 760 kg torpedo.
Remember, there's no requirement that the bomb detonate
in air, so that the plane must be high enough and fast
to get clear of an air burst. The bomb could just be
parachuted to ground and detonate on a timer after say
10 minutes; even a Swordfish could get 38 km away in
that time.

What is the yield on a W88?

According to Wikipedia (yes, I know), about 475 Kilotons, see
(<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W88>).

Significantly greater than the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts (16 Kt and
~21 Kt). If the ASBs distribute equivalents of that, then I retract my
previous guess and replace it with "Everyone and everything is F*CKED."
When everyone can deliver them on just about any plane they have in
unlimited numbers, they're going to use them on _everything_. Some
parts of the western hemisphere and Siberia may escape bombing simply by
being out of range of the Axis powers but I can't even begin to guess
what would happen after everything collapses.
--
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
instinct are running screaming.

Don't think so, Dim. Stalin, of course, we know could be very controlled indeed, when he wanted to be. But, face it, so could Hitler. Hitler was very controlled and shrewd during most of the 1930's. When faced with overwhelming odds, he backed down. For example, when Mussolini said no to annexation of Austria, in 1934. You're making the mistake of confusing the desperate, cornered Hitler of 1944-45, with the all powerful Hitler of 1942, now armed with thermonuclear devices, but knowing everyone else has them, as well. He's going to make a deal with Stalin for an immediate armistice. And, Stalin will agree. They were considering althernatives to total war even as it was. The threat of total annihilation will certainly bring these gentelman to the table, they're no crazier than Donald Trump or Kim Jong-un, they couldn't be!

Face it, people then weren't any worse than people now.

[jerry kraus]

Post by Rich Rostrom

Post by Chrysi Cat
OTOH, you *didn't* say anything about a workable delivery system, and
without one, it's a race to see who can develop one the enemy can't
defend against. Most likely, the B-29 is still the first nuclear-capable
aircraft...

The US W88 nuclear bomb weighs only about 360 kg. It is a
"fission-fusion-fission" weapon: an implosion-triggered
fission bomb causes fusion in an adjacent mass of lithium
deuteride, yielding a flood of neutrons which cause fission
(though not a chain reaction) in an enclosing blanket of
U-238. Since it has a fusion stage, it's an H-bomb.
Any number of WW II aircraft could deliver a 360 kg weapon.
Heck, even the Fairey Swordfish, a 1,900 kg _biplane_, could
carry a 760 kg torpedo.
Remember, there's no requirement that the bomb detonate
in air, so that the plane must be high enough and fast
to get clear of an air burst. The bomb could just be
parachuted to ground and detonate on a timer after say
10 minutes; even a Swordfish could get 38 km away in
that time.
--

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Post by Rich Rostrom
Nous sommes dans une pot de chambre, et nous y serons emmerdés.
--- General Auguste-Alexandre Ducrot at Sedan, 1870.

The human condition. Thus, Stendahl/Voltaire:

La seule excuse de Dieu, c'est qu'il n'existe pas.


Thus, my observation that the only way to have come to a peaceful conclusion to WWII, would have been the threat of utter thermonuclear annihilation, by H-bombs. We are a very disagreeable species. Why do you think there aren't any major world wars now? The H-bomb, pure and simple. Otherwise, we'd have Hitlers springing up right and left.

[t***@go.com]

Post by jerry kraus
So, let's suppose alien space bats take a look at the world in 1942, and say, "Hey, these humans want total war, let's give them total war!" So, they make available all the H-bombs they want to all the major players in WWII -- Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, Hirohito, Mussolini and even Petain, can get their hands on all the functioning H-bombs they want. What happens, exactly?

Well, the seven named figures were all heads of state
during WWII, however there were over two billion other
persons on Earth at the time besides them.

Many of the other persons would be 'terrorists' or
'criminals' if they used them on their own decision or
initiative, although specific laws against terrorism
might not have existed at the time.

My guess is that the average of the other two billion
persons would be less inclined to use them than the
seven named heads of state.

Therefore, the average of the other two billion would
be morally better than the seven named persons.

There were a lot of other people on Earth besides
the seven named persons. I would imagine they would
start killing even more of the other two billion.

Of the seven named figures, I am thinking that only
one died of homicide, whereas one did also die of suicide.
The other five died of natural causes. (As for Petain,
there are times that inhumane prison conditions can be
a way for court sentences to result in extrajudicial
punishments - in other words, imprisonment can actually
mean execution because of the way the prisons are
administered. But it looks to me like Petain got
humane treatment when imprisoned and he did die at
the age of 95 - thus at least by my comparison that
would seem to me to be non-homicide.)

I am not sure of the comparative rates of death by
homicide across the entire Earth for the general
population of the Earth during this time period.

It was probably less, however I am thinking that the
H-bombs would increase the number.

[n***@gmail.com]

Post by jerry kraus
So, let's suppose alien space bats take a look at the world in 1942, and say, "Hey, these humans want total war, let's give them total war!" So, they make available all the H-bombs they want to all the major players in WWII -- Hitler, Stalin, FDR, Churchill, Hirohito, Mussolini and even Petain, can get their hands on all the functioning H-bombs they want. What happens, exactly?

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