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WIF: Sweden retains Finland
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Alex Milman
2018-02-28 18:34:29 UTC
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In OTL Sweden lost Finland (and Gustav IV lost his throne) as a result of a Russian - Swedish War of 1808 - 9. What if Gustav IV of Sweden is a little bit more realistic in the areas of international policies, comparable strengths of Russia and Sweden, assessment of the British help, etc.?

There is no war, Russia is not annexing Finland and perhaps even Wasa dynasty survives. Will Finland remain under the Swedish rule forever?
SolomonW
2018-02-28 22:57:20 UTC
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Post by Alex Milman
In OTL Sweden lost Finland (and Gustav IV lost his throne) as a result of a Russian - Swedish War of 1808 - 9. What if Gustav IV of Sweden is a little bit more realistic in the areas of international policies, comparable strengths of Russia and Sweden, assessment of the British help, etc.?
There is no war, Russia is not annexing Finland and perhaps even Wasa dynasty survives. Will Finland remain under the Swedish rule forever?
Well, Norway split from Sweden, and the ethnic differences are much less
between them then between Sweden and Finland.
Alex Milman
2018-03-01 00:32:17 UTC
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Post by SolomonW
Post by Alex Milman
In OTL Sweden lost Finland (and Gustav IV lost his throne) as a result of a Russian - Swedish War of 1808 - 9. What if Gustav IV of Sweden is a little bit more realistic in the areas of international policies, comparable strengths of Russia and Sweden, assessment of the British help, etc.?
There is no war, Russia is not annexing Finland and perhaps even Wasa dynasty survives. Will Finland remain under the Swedish rule forever?
Well, Norway split from Sweden, and the ethnic differences are much less
between them then between Sweden and Finland.
Norway was in a personal union with Sweden and not a very old one. Finland, OTOH, was a part of the Kingdom of Sweden for quite a few centuries so analogy is not necessarily applicable.
Rob
2018-03-01 02:08:14 UTC
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On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 7:32:20 PM UTC-5, Alex Milman wrote:


Wasn't Swedish Finland's border with Russian Karelia closer to the post 1941 Soviet border than the interwar Soviet-Finnish border?
Alex Milman
2018-03-01 19:24:41 UTC
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Wasn't Swedish Finland's border with Russian Karelia closer to the post 1941 Soviet border than the interwar Soviet-Finnish border?
Yes. Alexander I "gave" Vyborg area to Finland.
m***@gmail.com
2018-03-17 12:59:03 UTC
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Post by Alex Milman
In OTL Sweden lost Finland (and Gustav IV lost his throne) as a result of a Russian - Swedish War of 1808 - 9. What if Gustav IV of Sweden is a little bit more realistic in the areas of international policies, comparable strengths of Russia and Sweden, assessment of the British help, etc.?
There is no war, Russia is not annexing Finland and perhaps even Wasa dynasty survives. Will Finland remain under the Swedish rule forever?
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