Discussion:
Robert A. Taft lives longer
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David Tenner
2009-03-18 05:11:34 UTC
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Suppose Robert A. Taft never had cancer, or that it was detected and
removed in time. He was 63 years old when he died on July 31, 1953.
Theoretically, he could still have been around in the US Senate until the
1980s if he lived as long as Strom Thurmond. More realistically, he could
certainly have served well into the 1960's. Whether he would in fact do
so depends in part on whether Frank Lausche, the very popular conservative
Democratic governor of Ohio, would chalenge him in 1956 or 1962; I think
that against any other Ohio Democrat Taft would have a better than 50-50
chance of re-election, at least in 1956. (By 1968, if Taft was still in
the Senate, he would probably decide it was time to retire and make way
for Bob, Jr.)

So what would be the possible effects of Taft staying on the political
scene much longer?

(1) What would his attitude be toward Joe McCarthy? He had taken a fairly
friendly attitude toward McCarthy as long as Truman was in office. He
said that "Whether Senator McCarthy has legal evidence, whether he has
overstated or understated his case is of lesser importance. The question
is whether the Communist influence in the State Department still exists."
He was also quoted as saying that McCarthy "should keep talking and if one
case doesn't work out, he should proceed with another." (On that last
quote, Taft later claimed, dubiously, that he had been misunderstood and
misquoted.) Once Ike was in office, Taft no doubt hoped that McCarthy
would show more restraint, but I don't believe that Taft or anyone else
could restrain McCarthy, and once the latter started attacking the Army
and the Eisenhower White House, I think Taft, as Senate Majority Leader,
just has to take Ike's side against McCarthy.

(2) With Taft still around, conservatives might take a more skeptical
stance toward US military involvement abroad--including Vietnam. The
death of Taft (and the defeat of numerous other conservatives, especially
in the 1958 elections) led to Barry Goldwater becoming the symbol of
American conservatism. Goldwater was much more hawkish and less
"isolationist" (or as Taft would prefer to put it, "non-interventionist")
than Taft and the Old Right in general had been. Indeed, the late Murray
Rothbard, an admirer of the Old Right, while acknowledging that Taft
"although both a free-market man and a noninterventionist...partly due to
his addiction to compromise as a way of life, faltered on both counts
throughout his career" (Rothbard prefers the greater purity of
"secondary" Taftite figures like Senator Kenneth Wherry and Congressman
Howard Buffett, [1] both of Nebraska) nevertheless says that

"Taft's death in 1953 was an irreparable blow, and one by one the other
Taft Republicans disappeared from the scene. In fact, Taft's defeat in the
bitterly fought 1952 convention was to signal the end of the Old Right as
a political force. It is typical of Michael Miles's myopia that the only
difference he sees between Barry Goldwater, the leader of the New Right,
and the Taftites is that Goldwater was more 'optimistic' than they. In
fact, Goldwater was--and is--an all-out interventionist in foreign
affairs; it is both symbolic and significant that Goldwater was an
Eisenhower, not a Taft delegate to the 1952 Republican convention."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard46.html

Of course even if Taft lives, he will be getting on in years, and the
conservative movement will still need younger heroes. (And if, as I have
said, Taft will take Eisenhower's side against McCarthy, this will cool
the ardor of some conservatives for Taft in any event.) But with Taft
still around, it will at least have to pay greater attention to the non-
interventionist case in foreign policy than it did in OTL.

Thoughts?

[1] Warren Buffett's father.
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2009-03-18 07:06:12 UTC
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Post by David Tenner
Suppose Robert A. Taft never had cancer, or that it was detected and
removed in time.  He was 63 years old when he died on July 31, 1953.  
Theoretically, he could still have been around in the US Senate until the
1980s if he lived as long as Strom Thurmond.  More realistically, he could
certainly have served well into the 1960's.  Whether he would in fact do
so depends in part on whether Frank Lausche, the very popular conservative
Democratic governor of Ohio, would chalenge him in 1956 or 1962; I think
that against any other Ohio Democrat Taft would have a better than 50-50
chance of re-election, at least in 1956.  (By 1968, if Taft was still in
the Senate, he would probably decide it was time to retire and make way
for Bob, Jr.)
So what would be the possible effects of Taft staying on the political
scene much longer?
(1) What would his attitude be toward Joe McCarthy?  He had taken a fairly
friendly attitude toward McCarthy as long as Truman was in office.  He
said that "Whether Senator McCarthy has legal evidence, whether he has
overstated or understated his case is of lesser importance. The question
is whether the Communist influence in the State Department still exists."
He was also quoted as saying that McCarthy "should keep talking and if one
case doesn't work out, he should proceed with another."  (On that last
quote, Taft later claimed, dubiously, that he had been misunderstood and
misquoted.)  Once Ike was in office, Taft no doubt hoped that McCarthy
would show more restraint, but I don't believe that Taft or anyone else
could restrain McCarthy, and once the latter started attacking the Army
and the Eisenhower White House, I think Taft, as Senate Majority Leader,
just has to take Ike's side against McCarthy.
Agreed.

Think that McCarthy might go after Taft, considering Taft's views
on the Marshall Plan and the Korean War? Since McCarthy had
no problem with going after high ranking military officers who
were hardly leftists or pacifists, Taft doesn't seem like he'd be
immune from McCarthy's ire. McCarthy could cite Taft's views
on the Marshall Plan and Korean War as proving that Taft
was "soft on Communism". McCarthy could mount an effort
to oust Taft as Majority Leader and try to take the position
himself.
Post by David Tenner
(2) With Taft still around, conservatives might take a more skeptical
stance toward US military involvement abroad--including Vietnam.  The
death of Taft (and the defeat of numerous other conservatives, especially
in the 1958 elections) led to  Barry Goldwater becoming the symbol of
American conservatism.  Goldwater was much more hawkish and less
"isolationist" (or as Taft would prefer to put it, "non-interventionist")
than Taft and the Old Right in general had been.  Indeed, the late Murray
Rothbard, an admirer of the Old Right, while acknowledging that Taft
"although both a free-market man and a noninterventionist...partly due to
his addiction to compromise as a way of life, faltered on both counts
throughout his career" (Rothbard prefers the greater purity of
"secondary" Taftite figures like Senator Kenneth Wherry and Congressman
Howard Buffett, [1] both of Nebraska) nevertheless says that
"Taft's death in 1953 was an irreparable blow, and one by one the other
Taft Republicans disappeared from the scene.
Harold Gross of Iowa would hang on until 1974, the last of the
Taftites
to remain in Congress...

In fact, Taft's defeat in the
Post by David Tenner
bitterly fought 1952 convention was to signal the end of the Old Right as
a political force. It is typical of Michael Miles's myopia that the only
difference he sees between Barry Goldwater, the leader of the New Right,
and the Taftites is that Goldwater was more 'optimistic' than they. In
fact, Goldwater was--and is--an all-out interventionist in foreign
affairs; it is both symbolic and significant that Goldwater was an
Eisenhower, not a Taft delegate to the 1952 Republican convention."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard46.html
In all fairness, Eugene Siler, an "Old Right" type, got elected to
Congress in 1954. (Siler had previously been a judge and an
unsuccessful nominee for Governor of Kentucky.) And I already
mentioned Gross.
Post by David Tenner
Of course even if Taft lives, he will be getting on in years, and the
conservative movement will still need younger heroes. (And if, as I have
said, Taft will take Eisenhower's side against McCarthy, this will cool
the ardor of some conservatives for Taft in any event.)  
Gross and Siler were about 10 years younger than Taft - could
either one fit the bill? Some POD requiring either one to run
for an office higher than the House would probably work.

Buffett, if he chooses to run for re-election in 1952 or run for
a higher office, might do. Rothbard thought that Mark Hatfield
had Old Right aspects (Hatfield regarded himself as a
libertarian) even though he was usually considered
a moderate - if Taft lives, could Hatfield wind up identifying
with a surviving non-interventionist conservative wing of the
GOP rather than with the centrist wing? Of course, he
wasn't elected Governor of Oregon until 1958 - and being
born in 1922 he's probably too young to assume leadership
of the Taft faction in the '50s or '60s.

However, I envision - whether McCarthy targets Taft or not -
there'll be a primary challenge to Taft from more hawkish
Republicans in 1956. Not sure who they'd run - Jim
Rhodes, perhaps?

Best,
Stan B.
Yeechang Lee
2009-03-18 08:19:12 UTC
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Think that McCarthy might go after Taft, considering Taft's views
on the Marshall Plan and the Korean War?
Taft would have squashed McCarthy like a bug.
Post by b***@forpresident.com
Since McCarthy had no problem with going after high ranking military
officers who were hardly leftists or pacifists, Taft doesn't seem
like he'd be immune from McCarthy's ire.
The difference is that active-duty military officers aren't easily
able to speak for themselves in the public arena. As Majority Leader
Taft has a ready-made stage and the experience to use it, and has both
Senatorial seniority and leadership over any upstart challenger. If he
needs help Eisenhower will back him, not McCarthy; so would the vast
majority of the Senate, including Democrats.

McCarthy was a tool for Eisenhower and Taft, one liable to be (and who
was) discarded as soon as he was no longer useful.
Post by b***@forpresident.com
However, I envision - whether McCarthy targets Taft or not -
there'll be a primary challenge to Taft from more hawkish
Republicans in 1956. Not sure who they'd run - Jim Rhodes, perhaps?
Rhodes wanted to be Governor; he only ran for the Senate because he
was term-limited out. In any case I don't see a primary challenge
happening. As Senate Majority/Minority Leader and one who clearly has
Eisenhower's blessing to manage domestic issues in Congress Taft is
too powerful, and beloved, for Ohioans to easily replace. George
Bender would never have run against Taft, his friend and fellow
conservative.

It's possible he'd retire in 1956, but my guess is Taft would not yet
want to give up pushing his conservative agenda while there's a
Republican administration. He's the favorite in the general election,
especially given Eisenhower's enormous coattails that year; in an open
election Lausche runs and wins as in OTL, though. Taft probably
retires in 1962 at the age of 73, though, not 1968. My guess is
Lausche refrains from challenging Taft in 1956 and waits for Bricker
in 1958 given the off-year election.
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Post by b***@forpresident.com
Think that McCarthy might go after Taft, considering Taft's views
on the Marshall Plan and the Korean War?
Taft would have squashed McCarthy like a bug.
Agreed here - but McCarthy was not a man to know his
own limitations.
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Post by b***@forpresident.com
Since McCarthy had no problem with going after high ranking military
officers who were hardly leftists or pacifists, Taft doesn't seem
like he'd be immune from McCarthy's ire.
The difference is that active-duty military officers aren't easily
able to speak for themselves in the public arena. As Majority Leader
Taft has a ready-made stage and the experience to use it, and has both
Senatorial seniority and leadership over any upstart challenger. If he
needs help Eisenhower will back him, not McCarthy; so would the vast
majority of the Senate, including Democrats.
So, this could result in McCarthy's public disgrace taking a
different form than in OTL - if McCarthy publically challenges
Taft as "soft on communism", than the GOP (including the
POTUS) will shut McCarthy up by marginalizing him, with
Dem help. Whichever Republican Senators side with
McCarthy could find themselves politically marginalized.
In such a situation, would Goldwater and Knowland side
with the POTUS and Taft over McCarthy? IMO, Goldwater
probably would - not so sure about Knowland, though.
Post by Yeechang Lee
McCarthy was a tool for Eisenhower and Taft, one liable to be (and who
was) discarded as soon as he was no longer useful.
True. As soon as McCarthy no longer served the purposes
of the Administration, he was out of favor (in OTL, Taft
was already dead by then).
Post by Yeechang Lee
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However, I envision - whether McCarthy targets Taft or not -
there'll be a primary challenge to Taft from more hawkish
Republicans in 1956. Not sure who they'd run - Jim Rhodes, perhaps?
Rhodes wanted to be Governor; he only ran for the Senate because he
was term-limited out. In any case I don't see a primary challenge
happening. As Senate Majority/Minority Leader and one who clearly has
Eisenhower's blessing to manage domestic issues in Congress Taft is
too powerful, and beloved, for Ohioans to easily replace. George
Bender would never have run against Taft, his friend and fellow
conservative.
Any challenger would most likely come from the opposite end of the
state that Taft came from - as the GOP in Southern Ohio would
stand firmly behind Taft. There's a problem, though: there weren't
many prominent Republican office holders in solidly Dem Northern
Ohio. Bender was one of the few, and I agree he wouldn't run
against Taft. Not sure about Congressman William Ayres (1) of
Akron - his main field of interest was military issues, and might
want to advance himself ; OTOH Taft did recruit him to run for
Congress, and he might feel that he owed Taft a favor for
launching his career in politics. How many important figures
in the old Cleveland GOP political machine of the interwar
era were still alive in 1956 (other than Harold Burton, who's not
going to leave the SCOTUS to run for governor)? Granted,
given the Kohler/Davis machine's deserved rep for corruption,
any surviving figures are going to come with a great deal of
baggage, will probably be at least as old as Taft, and
would most likely lose to him even in the northern part
of the state.

Rhodes, of course, was from Central Ohio ; he certainly had
a great deal of ambition, but as you point out he had his
sights at this time on the governor's mansion, not on the
Senate.
Post by Yeechang Lee
It's possible he'd retire in 1956, but my guess is Taft would not yet
want to give up pushing his conservative agenda while there's a
Republican administration. He's the favorite in the general election,
especially given Eisenhower's enormous coattails that year; in an open
election Lausche runs and wins as in OTL, though.
I'm not so sure Taft could beat Lausche. Lausche was extremely
popular throughout the whole state, especially amongst Catholics
and Jews (the latter being more numerous in Ohio then than
today), and he had solid anti-communist credentials that might
appeal to some GOP voters who might think Taft to be
insufficiently hawkish. As has been pointed out before by
David Tenner, Lausche was the most conservative of the
Northern Cold Warrior Catholic moderate Dems, and some
of his stances might appeal to GOP swing voters. I don't
think Lausche would have an overwhelming victory - but it
would be a very close election, even if Taft won.

If there's another Dem who runs against Taft, Taft probably
does win on Ike's coattails.


Taft probably
Post by Yeechang Lee
retires in 1962 at the age of 73, though, not 1968. My guess is
Lausche refrains from challenging Taft in 1956 and waits for Bricker
in 1958 given the off-year election.
Sounds quite plausible. So does this mean that DiSalle follows
Lausche without the brief Republican interregnum in Columbus?
And if so, the '62 election seems like it could be interesting.

Best,
Stan B.

(1) Not to be confused with William Ayers, an entirely different
type of figure from a different Great Lakes state, who's only 12
in 1956 anyways. Since the future Weatherman's dad Tom
Ayres was an important businessman with ties to the Daley
machine, however, it's not inconcievable that the elder Ayers
could run for IL office. What would the effects be of the kid of
ANY politician winding up in the Weather Underground (other
than said politician assuredly being defeated for re-election)?
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Post by David Tenner
Suppose Robert A. Taft never had cancer, or that it was detected and
removed in time. He was 63 years old when he died on July 31, 1953.
Theoretically, he could still have been around in the US Senate until the
1980s if he lived as long as Strom Thurmond. More realistically, he could
certainly have served well into the 1960's. Whether he would in fact do
so depends in part on whether Frank Lausche, the very popular conservative
Democratic governor of Ohio, would chalenge him in 1956 or 1962; I think
that against any other Ohio Democrat Taft would have a better than 50-50
chance of re-election, at least in 1956. (By 1968, if Taft was still in
the Senate, he would probably decide it was time to retire and make way
for Bob, Jr.)
So what would be the possible effects of Taft staying on the political
scene much longer?
(1) What would his attitude be toward Joe McCarthy? He had taken a fairly
friendly attitude toward McCarthy as long as Truman was in office. He
said that "Whether Senator McCarthy has legal evidence, whether he has
overstated or understated his case is of lesser importance. The question
is whether the Communist influence in the State Department still exists."
He was also quoted as saying that McCarthy "should keep talking and if one
case doesn't work out, he should proceed with another." (On that last
quote, Taft later claimed, dubiously, that he had been misunderstood and
misquoted.) Once Ike was in office, Taft no doubt hoped that McCarthy
would show more restraint, but I don't believe that Taft or anyone else
could restrain McCarthy, and once the latter started attacking the Army
and the Eisenhower White House, I think Taft, as Senate Majority Leader,
just has to take Ike's side against McCarthy.
(2) With Taft still around, conservatives might take a more skeptical
stance toward US military involvement abroad--including Vietnam. The
death of Taft (and the defeat of numerous other conservatives, especially
in the 1958 elections) led to Barry Goldwater becoming the symbol of
American conservatism. Goldwater was much more hawkish and less
"isolationist" (or as Taft would prefer to put it, "non-interventionist")
than Taft and the Old Right in general had been. Indeed, the late Murray
Rothbard, an admirer of the Old Right, while acknowledging that Taft
"although both a free-market man and a noninterventionist...partly due to
his addiction to compromise as a way of life, faltered on both counts
throughout his career" (Rothbard prefers the greater purity of
"secondary" Taftite figures like Senator Kenneth Wherry and Congressman
Howard Buffett, [1] both of Nebraska) nevertheless says that
"Taft's death in 1953 was an irreparable blow, and one by one the other
Taft Republicans disappeared from the scene. In fact, Taft's defeat in the
bitterly fought 1952 convention was to signal the end of the Old Right as
a political force. It is typical of Michael Miles's myopia that the only
difference he sees between Barry Goldwater, the leader of the New Right,
and the Taftites is that Goldwater was more 'optimistic' than they. In
fact, Goldwater was--and is--an all-out interventionist in foreign
affairs; it is both symbolic and significant that Goldwater was an
Eisenhower, not a Taft delegate to the 1952 Republican convention."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard46.html
Of course even if Taft lives, he will be getting on in years, and the
conservative movement will still need younger heroes. (And if, as I have
said, Taft will take Eisenhower's side against McCarthy, this will cool
the ardor of some conservatives for Taft in any event.) But with Taft
still around, it will at least have to pay greater attention to the non-
interventionist case in foreign policy than it did in OTL.
Thoughts?
[1] Warren Buffett's father.
--
David Tenner
Question about a President Robert Taft (or, as I like to call him, President Taft II)--would he have tried to have the U.S. withdraw from NATO?

After all, wasn't Robert Taft skeptical of NATO?
Rob
2018-03-17 13:14:56 UTC
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Post by WolfBear
Post by David Tenner
Suppose Robert A. Taft never had cancer, or that it was detected and
removed in time. He was 63 years old when he died on July 31, 1953.
Theoretically, he could still have been around in the US Senate until the
1980s if he lived as long as Strom Thurmond. More realistically, he could
certainly have served well into the 1960's. Whether he would in fact do
so depends in part on whether Frank Lausche, the very popular conservative
Democratic governor of Ohio, would chalenge him in 1956 or 1962; I think
that against any other Ohio Democrat Taft would have a better than 50-50
chance of re-election, at least in 1956. (By 1968, if Taft was still in
the Senate, he would probably decide it was time to retire and make way
for Bob, Jr.)
So what would be the possible effects of Taft staying on the political
scene much longer?
(1) What would his attitude be toward Joe McCarthy? He had taken a fairly
friendly attitude toward McCarthy as long as Truman was in office. He
said that "Whether Senator McCarthy has legal evidence, whether he has
overstated or understated his case is of lesser importance. The question
is whether the Communist influence in the State Department still exists."
He was also quoted as saying that McCarthy "should keep talking and if one
case doesn't work out, he should proceed with another." (On that last
quote, Taft later claimed, dubiously, that he had been misunderstood and
misquoted.) Once Ike was in office, Taft no doubt hoped that McCarthy
would show more restraint, but I don't believe that Taft or anyone else
could restrain McCarthy, and once the latter started attacking the Army
and the Eisenhower White House, I think Taft, as Senate Majority Leader,
just has to take Ike's side against McCarthy.
(2) With Taft still around, conservatives might take a more skeptical
stance toward US military involvement abroad--including Vietnam. The
death of Taft (and the defeat of numerous other conservatives, especially
in the 1958 elections) led to Barry Goldwater becoming the symbol of
American conservatism. Goldwater was much more hawkish and less
"isolationist" (or as Taft would prefer to put it, "non-interventionist")
than Taft and the Old Right in general had been. Indeed, the late Murray
Rothbard, an admirer of the Old Right, while acknowledging that Taft
"although both a free-market man and a noninterventionist...partly due to
his addiction to compromise as a way of life, faltered on both counts
throughout his career" (Rothbard prefers the greater purity of
"secondary" Taftite figures like Senator Kenneth Wherry and Congressman
Howard Buffett, [1] both of Nebraska) nevertheless says that
"Taft's death in 1953 was an irreparable blow, and one by one the other
Taft Republicans disappeared from the scene. In fact, Taft's defeat in the
bitterly fought 1952 convention was to signal the end of the Old Right as
a political force. It is typical of Michael Miles's myopia that the only
difference he sees between Barry Goldwater, the leader of the New Right,
and the Taftites is that Goldwater was more 'optimistic' than they. In
fact, Goldwater was--and is--an all-out interventionist in foreign
affairs; it is both symbolic and significant that Goldwater was an
Eisenhower, not a Taft delegate to the 1952 Republican convention."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard46.html
Of course even if Taft lives, he will be getting on in years, and the
conservative movement will still need younger heroes. (And if, as I have
said, Taft will take Eisenhower's side against McCarthy, this will cool
the ardor of some conservatives for Taft in any event.) But with Taft
still around, it will at least have to pay greater attention to the non-
interventionist case in foreign policy than it did in OTL.
Thoughts?
[1] Warren Buffett's father.
--
David Tenner
Question about a President Robert Taft (or, as I like to call him, President Taft II)--would he have tried to have the U.S. withdraw from NATO?
After all, wasn't Robert Taft skeptical of NATO?
Nope - he compromised and accepted it in the end.

Also, I do not think that McCarthy would be motivated to attack Taft for being non-supportive initially of the Marshall Plan and NATO. To McCarthy, those were namby-pamby liberal projects and half-measures that were not important. McCarthy and McCarthyites didn't really give a shit about the Soviet threat in Russia, they just were obsessed with Communist gains in Asia and how to pin those gains on "subversion" at home that conveniently allowed them to pick on Americans who were their political opponents or targets.
The Horny Goat
2018-03-17 21:12:39 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 06:14:56 -0700 (PDT), Rob
Post by Rob
Also, I do not think that McCarthy would be motivated to attack Taft for being non-supportive initially of the Marshall Plan and NATO. To McCarthy, those were namby-pamby liberal projects and half-measures that were not important. McCarthy and McCarthyites didn't really give a shit about the Soviet threat in Russia, they just were obsessed with Communist gains in Asia and how to pin those gains on "subversion" at home that conveniently allowed them to pick on Americans who were their political opponents or targets.
Joe McCarthy was primarily interested in Communism in Asia for two
reasons: "Who lost China" and the Korean War.

I would very much be surprised if he was sanguine about a Soviet
invasion of western Europe in the early 1950s. That would go against
pretty much everything we know of the man.

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2018-03-17 12:42:23 UTC
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Post by David Tenner
Suppose Robert A. Taft never had cancer, or that it was detected and
removed in time. He was 63 years old when he died on July 31, 1953.
Theoretically, he could still have been around in the US Senate until the
1980s if he lived as long as Strom Thurmond. More realistically, he could
certainly have served well into the 1960's. Whether he would in fact do
so depends in part on whether Frank Lausche, the very popular conservative
Democratic governor of Ohio, would chalenge him in 1956 or 1962; I think
that against any other Ohio Democrat Taft would have a better than 50-50
chance of re-election, at least in 1956. (By 1968, if Taft was still in
the Senate, he would probably decide it was time to retire and make way
for Bob, Jr.)
So what would be the possible effects of Taft staying on the political
scene much longer?
(1) What would his attitude be toward Joe McCarthy? He had taken a fairly
friendly attitude toward McCarthy as long as Truman was in office. He
said that "Whether Senator McCarthy has legal evidence, whether he has
overstated or understated his case is of lesser importance. The question
is whether the Communist influence in the State Department still exists."
He was also quoted as saying that McCarthy "should keep talking and if one
case doesn't work out, he should proceed with another." (On that last
quote, Taft later claimed, dubiously, that he had been misunderstood and
misquoted.) Once Ike was in office, Taft no doubt hoped that McCarthy
would show more restraint, but I don't believe that Taft or anyone else
could restrain McCarthy, and once the latter started attacking the Army
and the Eisenhower White House, I think Taft, as Senate Majority Leader,
just has to take Ike's side against McCarthy.
(2) With Taft still around, conservatives might take a more skeptical
stance toward US military involvement abroad--including Vietnam. The
death of Taft (and the defeat of numerous other conservatives, especially
in the 1958 elections) led to Barry Goldwater becoming the symbol of
American conservatism. Goldwater was much more hawkish and less
"isolationist" (or as Taft would prefer to put it, "non-interventionist")
than Taft and the Old Right in general had been. Indeed, the late Murray
Rothbard, an admirer of the Old Right, while acknowledging that Taft
"although both a free-market man and a noninterventionist...partly due to
his addiction to compromise as a way of life, faltered on both counts
throughout his career" (Rothbard prefers the greater purity of
"secondary" Taftite figures like Senator Kenneth Wherry and Congressman
Howard Buffett, [1] both of Nebraska) nevertheless says that
"Taft's death in 1953 was an irreparable blow, and one by one the other
Taft Republicans disappeared from the scene. In fact, Taft's defeat in the
bitterly fought 1952 convention was to signal the end of the Old Right as
a political force. It is typical of Michael Miles's myopia that the only
difference he sees between Barry Goldwater, the leader of the New Right,
and the Taftites is that Goldwater was more 'optimistic' than they. In
fact, Goldwater was--and is--an all-out interventionist in foreign
affairs; it is both symbolic and significant that Goldwater was an
Eisenhower, not a Taft delegate to the 1952 Republican convention."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard46.html
Of course even if Taft lives, he will be getting on in years, and the
conservative movement will still need younger heroes. (And if, as I have
said, Taft will take Eisenhower's side against McCarthy, this will cool
the ardor of some conservatives for Taft in any event.) But with Taft
still around, it will at least have to pay greater attention to the non-
interventionist case in foreign policy than it did in OTL.
Thoughts?
[1] Warren Buffett's father.
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David Tenner
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