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AHC: A President or Prime Minister older than Mahathir
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David Tenner
2018-05-10 19:40:42 UTC
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Notice I don't say "head of state" because it's easy to have a monarch in his
or her nineties. But how about a president or prime minister older than
Mahathir's current age (92)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathir_Mohamad
They called Konrad Adenauer "Der Alte" but in fact he was a youngster of 87
when he stepped down as Federal Chancellor...
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The Horny Goat
2018-05-11 00:15:10 UTC
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On Thu, 10 May 2018 14:40:42 -0500, David Tenner
Post by David Tenner
Notice I don't say "head of state" because it's easy to have a monarch in his
or her nineties. But how about a president or prime minister older than
Mahathir's current age (92)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathir_Mohamad
They called Konrad Adenauer "Der Alte" but in fact he was a youngster of 87
when he stepped down as Federal Chancellor...
I'm impressed by him even getting elected at that age. Though to be
fair both Clinton and Trump in 2016 were older than Reagan was in
1980. Still none of them was close to 90 when first elected.

One of my favorite WI scenarios is Gustav Stresemann (who was younger
than Adenauer) lasting into the 1960s. This however runs up against
the fact that only 3 Weimar era chancellors lasted more than 2 years
in office and that the first post-1919 chancellor who lasted as much
as THREE years (bearing in mind that the usual election cycle in the
English speaking world is / was 4 years) was Hitler.

Of course by the end of Hitler's third year as chancellor he was
alreay preferring the non-Weimar title of Fuehrer (which combined th
roles of chancellor and Reichspresident)
Rhino
2018-05-14 15:02:33 UTC
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Post by The Horny Goat
On Thu, 10 May 2018 14:40:42 -0500, David Tenner
Post by David Tenner
Notice I don't say "head of state" because it's easy to have a monarch in his
or her nineties. But how about a president or prime minister older than
Mahathir's current age (92)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathir_Mohamad
They called Konrad Adenauer "Der Alte" but in fact he was a youngster of 87
when he stepped down as Federal Chancellor...
I'm impressed by him even getting elected at that age. Though to be
fair both Clinton and Trump in 2016 were older than Reagan was in
1980. Still none of them was close to 90 when first elected.
One of my favorite WI scenarios is Gustav Stresemann (who was younger
than Adenauer) lasting into the 1960s. This however runs up against
the fact that only 3 Weimar era chancellors lasted more than 2 years
in office and that the first post-1919 chancellor who lasted as much
as THREE years (bearing in mind that the usual election cycle in the
English speaking world is / was 4 years) was Hitler.
Of course by the end of Hitler's third year as chancellor he was
alreay preferring the non-Weimar title of Fuehrer (which combined th
roles of chancellor and Reichspresident)
Hitler had also turned the democratic country that had elected him into
a dictatorship. It's hard to picture him being removed from the
leadership of the country by any kind of democratic process after that
point. He'd either have to be deposed via a coup or forced out by a
colossal military defeat.
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Rhino
The Horny Goat
2018-05-14 21:51:01 UTC
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On Mon, 14 May 2018 11:02:33 -0400, Rhino
Post by Rhino
Post by The Horny Goat
One of my favorite WI scenarios is Gustav Stresemann (who was younger
than Adenauer) lasting into the 1960s. This however runs up against
the fact that only 3 Weimar era chancellors lasted more than 2 years
in office and that the first post-1919 chancellor who lasted as much
as THREE years (bearing in mind that the usual election cycle in the
English speaking world is / was 4 years) was Hitler.
Of course by the end of Hitler's third year as chancellor he was
alreay preferring the non-Weimar title of Fuehrer (which combined th
roles of chancellor and Reichspresident)
Hitler had also turned the democratic country that had elected him into
a dictatorship. It's hard to picture him being removed from the
leadership of the country by any kind of democratic process after that
point. He'd either have to be deposed via a coup or forced out by a
colossal military defeat.
There's no question that Germany in January 1936 was a very different
place from Germany in January 1933.

Following the death of Paul von Hindenburg I can't conceive of anyone
defeating Hitler for the presidency assuming Hitler wanted the job.

Which I presume is precisely your point.
news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley)
2018-05-17 17:40:38 UTC
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Post by David Tenner
Notice I don't say "head of state" because it's easy to have a monarch in his
or her nineties. But how about a president or prime minister older than
Mahathir's current age (92)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathir_Mohamad
They called Konrad Adenauer "Der Alte" but in fact he was a youngster of 87
when he stepped down as Federal Chancellor...
Robert Mugabe born 21 February 1924 left office 21 November 2017 - so
93. Last elected 2013
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Mark
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