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OT: Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War
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Byker
2019-12-02 16:50:30 UTC
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A good outline of the book. This thread is actually on topic for this NG
since Canada was involved in both world wars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill,_Hitler_and_the_Unnecessary_War
Just think if Lord Halifax would have been PM instead of Churchill, which
very nearly happened. When the BEF was pushed all the way back to the
Channel, he'd probably have sued for peace, and Franco-Prussian War II would
have lasted a grand total of eight months. It's not as ludicrous as it
sounds. In April, 1940, over 90% of Americans polled wanted nothing to do
with getting involved in another European war. 110,000 U.S. troops died in
WWI, and the popular notion that we were "duped" into getting involved
produced a resentment that lasted a generation.

Interesting scenario to ponder:

SolomonW
2019-12-03 10:01:22 UTC
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Post by Byker
A good outline of the book. This thread is actually on topic for this NG
since Canada was involved in both world wars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill,_Hitler_and_the_Unnecessary_War
Just think if Lord Halifax would have been PM instead of Churchill, which
very nearly happened.
I am not so sure although many wanted Lord Halifax as Prime Minister after
the resignation of Neville Chamberlain, he declined.

Partly it was dubious if he could be and part of the problem was the lack
of support he had from the Labour Party.
Post by Byker
When the BEF was pushed all the way back to the
Channel, he'd probably have sued for peace, and Franco-Prussian War II would
have lasted a grand total of eight months.
This is possible, both Halifax and Chamberlain wanted peace at this point.

I am not sure what sort of peace it would be, during the Napoleonic wars,
Britain made peace several times and then broke it.

Britain would be arming fast. Germans would still need vast reserves in the
West just in case. Would the British and U.S. allow war materials into
Germany?
Post by Byker
It's not as ludicrous as it
sounds. In April, 1940, over 90% of Americans polled wanted nothing to do
with getting involved in another European war. 110,000 U.S. troops died in
WWI, and the popular notion that we were "duped" into getting involved
produced a resentment that lasted a generation.
But also surveys at the time showed that Americans thought that sooner or
later they would get involved.
Post by Byker
Interesting scenario to ponder: http://youtu.be/EnQ_3anpWQk
Very nice. Spelling mistakes

I doubt Hitler would have offered anywhere as much as this POD assumes.


Some points would Barbarossa have been so successful if Britain and Germany
had been at peace. I doubt it would be a surprise.

Would the British and the U.S. have done nothing is Hitler attacks Russia,
it is very much than in their interest that Russia holds! They supplied
China, why not Russia?

Why would the axis allies not send forces to help Germany take Russia, and
why would Hitler refuse more troops?

Also, I doubt Hitler if he was winning would make peace with Russia, and if
he did, he would undoubtedly intervene in a later Russian Civil War.
Byker
2019-12-03 17:25:56 UTC
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http://youtu.be/EnQ_3anpWQk
Very nice. Spelling mistakes
Not mine...
Rich Rostrom
2019-12-03 22:45:09 UTC
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2019-12-07 23:29:22 UTC
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