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Poland Escapes! ASBs swap the PLC with N. American Great Lakes region, 1790
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Rob
2018-02-17 17:52:46 UTC
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An ASB put the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in more or less the position of OTL's US Northwest Territory in 1790. And vice versa, all the land and water that can fit from the the replaced part of North America that can fit is now positioned between Prussia, Austria and Russia and the Baltic Sea.

When teleported, Poland is rotated 90% to the right, lining up Poznan and Warsaw with Minnesota more or less. Lithuania and Courland are more or less in the position of Michigan's Lower Peninsula.

I deliberately chose to rotate Poland because I think as you go north to south it gets more prairie like and less woodsy, and I think the same thing happens in the US Great Lakes region.

Politically speaking this is after the 1st partition and when the PLC is beginning to try to reform itself, but it is before the 2nd and 3rd partitions.

What is the fate of the PLC in North America? What are its relations with the United States, British North America and Spanish Louisiana?

How does the sudden proximity of these territories and populations effect their long-term development?


...In the meantime in Europe, the old American Northwest Territory is sandwiched between the Baltic, Russia, Prussia and Austria. Lake Michigan becomes a finger of the Baltic Sea.

How is east-central Europe affected politically, militarily and socially by the sudden addition a low-population density territory in the middle of East-Central Europe?

The population at this time consists of British and American occupants of a few forts, French or Metis traders and various native groups like Shawnee, Miami, Sauk, Fox, Huron, maybe some Delaware and others.

Does this vast territory attract free peasant or "Cossack" style settlement? Or to the central governments of Russia, Prussia and Austria handily partition the land among themselves and their noble estates in a way that prevents any change in the social structure for their peasants?
Rob
2018-02-25 18:25:14 UTC
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An ASB put the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in more or less the position of OTL's US Northwest Territory in 1790. And vice versa, all the land and water that can fit from the the replaced part of North America that can fit is now positioned between Prussia, Austria and Russia and the Baltic Sea.
When teleported, Poland is rotated 90% to the right, lining up Poznan and Warsaw with Minnesota more or less. Lithuania and Courland are more or less in the position of Michigan's Lower Peninsula.
I deliberately chose to rotate Poland because I think as you go north to south it gets more prairie like and less woodsy, and I think the same thing happens in the US Great Lakes region.
Politically speaking this is after the 1st partition and when the PLC is beginning to try to reform itself, but it is before the 2nd and 3rd partitions.
What is the fate of the PLC in North America? What are its relations with the United States, British North America and Spanish Louisiana?
How does the sudden proximity of these territories and populations effect their long-term development?
...In the meantime in Europe, the old American Northwest Territory is sandwiched between the Baltic, Russia, Prussia and Austria. Lake Michigan becomes a finger of the Baltic Sea.
How is east-central Europe affected politically, militarily and socially by the sudden addition a low-population density territory in the middle of East-Central Europe?
The population at this time consists of British and American occupants of a few forts, French or Metis traders and various native groups like Shawnee, Miami, Sauk, Fox, Huron, maybe some Delaware and others.
Does this vast territory attract free peasant or "Cossack" style settlement? Or to the central governments of Russia, Prussia and Austria handily partition the land among themselves and their noble estates in a way that prevents any change in the social structure for their peasants?
I'm surprised not to see any responses, especially by Alex, who pretty much never misses an opportunity to comment on 18th century Poland, Russia, Prussia and Austria.
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Chicago (Chicagou) is at this time a collection of Potowatami Amerindian villages with possibly one Afro-French guy named Jean-Baptiste also living there. It is closer to Russia than Austria or Prussia.

Detroit - is a more substantial town of over 2,000, largely francophone, but with a British occupied fort. It is even closer to the Russian border than Chicago.

St. Louis - this was an existing, unincorporated, largely francophone and native town that is closest to Austrian Galicia

Milwaukee is native or uninhabited ground, and is furthest from Prussia

Peoria - closest to Austria, and a small francophone fort/trading post is there.

Vincennes Indiana - A small francophone fort/trading post is there, it is furthest from Prussia.

Prussia will find a transplanted section of northern and eastern Minnesota, and southwest Ontario filling up the space of the Posen district and the lands taken in the 2nd partition.. It will form a land bridge between Silesia and Pomerania and West Prussia. In most of this transplanted land. There was no white settlement there till 19th century, the main inhabitants were the Dakota people. The exception to native and wildnerness land is the mainly Francophone town of Sault Ste Marie, which probably also has some Anglo merchants and soldiers and natives. Down the line, this area is a metallurgical bonanza, as it holds the Mesabi range and all Minnesota iron ranges. To the east of this, between East Prussia and the Austrian border, is a landlocked chunk of Lake Superior.

Lake Michigan becomes an extension of the Baltic Seas. The Michigan lower peninsula is relatively close to Russia, while the transplanted Michigan upper peninsula branches off northward from east Prussia. The peninsulas are separated by a fairly narrow strait.
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