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WI Soylent Green came true?
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Anthony Buckland
2010-06-21 03:57:42 UTC
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The premise of the movie, simplifying: in the future,
population explosion and climate change lead to the
majority of humans living in, at the most, crowded,
mostly public, accomodation, eating government
issued food pellets of diffent colors, one of which is
Soylent Green (like other flavors, ostensibly made
from soy and lentils). A brave police officer discovers
and publicizes the fact that, since the the oceans are
dying, Soylent Green in particular is manufactured
in fact from recycled human bodies.

So, this happens. In the movie, the consequences
are not discussed. What, in reality, would happen?
If you were desperate to eat, how would you feel about
eating your neighbors?
Insane Ranter
2010-06-21 05:21:28 UTC
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On Jun 20, 11:57 pm, "Anthony Buckland"
The premise of the movie, simplifying:  in the future,
population explosion and climate change lead to the
majority of humans living in, at the most, crowded,
mostly public, accomodation, eating government
issued food pellets of diffent colors, one of which is
Soylent Green (like other flavors, ostensibly made
from soy and lentils).  A brave police officer discovers
and publicizes the fact that, since the the oceans are
dying, Soylent Green in particular is manufactured
in fact from recycled human bodies.
So, this happens.  In the movie, the consequences
are not discussed.  What, in reality, would happen?
If you were desperate to eat, how would you feel about
eating your neighbors?
Depends on if she will return the favor or not.....

This system of food just seems like there is a whole in it somewhere.
At some point the energy loss by just recycling dead people doesn't
make up or something.. Its late I'm tired and thinking about the cute
gal next door now..
troll
2010-06-21 07:06:30 UTC
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On Jun 20, 11:57 pm, "Anthony Buckland"
Post by Anthony Buckland
The premise of the movie, simplifying: in the future,
population explosion and climate change lead to the
majority of humans living in, at the most, crowded,
mostly public, accomodation, eating government
issued food pellets of diffent colors, one of which is
Soylent Green (like other flavors, ostensibly made
from soy and lentils). A brave police officer discovers
and publicizes the fact that, since the the oceans are
dying, Soylent Green in particular is manufactured
in fact from recycled human bodies.
So, this happens. In the movie, the consequences
are not discussed. What, in reality, would happen?
If you were desperate to eat, how would you feel about
eating your neighbors?
The basic problem is that people don't like being killed,
whether for food or for other purposes.

Therefore it might be more difficult to keep secret what
is happening so that one can get them to walk into
a food processing plant like a chicken or a cow.

To some extent, that is what was happening during
the WWII time period, although I think there was generally
no cannibalism. When possible, vegetarianism is
less energy intensive than more secondary food sources,
whether from animals or from humans. Some animals
can harvest food, however, at times from areas that are
not easily amenable to agriculture, and eating them will
thus indirectly utilize the plant resources from those areas,
whether on land or in the oceans.

Preparing food so that it is digestible or disease free can
some times be energy intensive.

Reasonably, we would like it if there were at least one
being that had the power to raise human beings from the
dead, since life is generally preferable over death.

Overall, it is hard to say if becoming maggot food is
really that much more preferable to cannibalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaselia_scalaris

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_entomological_decomposition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect_development_during_storage

You know, in theory if one had one's brain cut
out and sealed in a canister in formaldehyde,
one could always at least when alive fantasize
about someone being able to do some sort of
microscopic scan of the neurons and then
simulate the brain's information in some future
age.

It would be nice if someone came out with a
drug that would enable someone to live hundreds
of thousands of years.

It is hard to say if drugging the maggots and
becoming toxic waste through embalming is
a good thing or not either. Maybe cremation
would be more sanitary.

Some persons have speculated that the
universe has existed for billions of years.
Human mortality seems to me to be on
a different time scale.

This seems kind of a morbid subject.
Bradipus
2010-06-21 15:55:09 UTC
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Post by troll
On Jun 20, 11:57 pm, "Anthony Buckland"
Post by Anthony Buckland
The premise of the movie, simplifying: in the future,
population explosion and climate change lead to the
majority of humans living in, at the most, crowded,
mostly public, accomodation, eating government
issued food pellets of diffent colors, one of which is
Soylent Green (like other flavors, ostensibly made
from soy and lentils). A brave police officer discovers
and publicizes the fact that, since the the oceans are
dying, Soylent Green in particular is manufactured
in fact from recycled human bodies.
So, this happens. In the movie, the consequences
are not discussed. What, in reality, would happen?
If you were desperate to eat, how would you feel about
eating your neighbors?
The basic problem is that people don't like being killed,
whether for food or for other purposes.
Therefore it might be more difficult to keep secret what
is happening so that one can get them to walk into
a food processing plant like a chicken or a cow.
To some extent, that is what was happening during
the WWII time period, although I think there was generally
no cannibalism. When possible, vegetarianism is
less energy intensive than more secondary food sources,
whether from animals or from humans. Some animals
can harvest food, however, at times from areas that are
not easily amenable to agriculture, and eating them will
thus indirectly utilize the plant resources from those areas,
whether on land or in the oceans.
Preparing food so that it is digestible or disease free can
some times be energy intensive.
Reasonably, we would like it if there were at least one
being that had the power to raise human beings from the
dead, since life is generally preferable over death.
Overall, it is hard to say if becoming maggot food is
really that much more preferable to cannibalism.
[...]
Post by troll
This seems kind of a morbid subject.
"There are no passengers on spaceship earth. We are all crew."
-- Marshall McLuhan
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Anthony Buckland
2010-06-21 18:05:06 UTC
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Post by troll
On Jun 20, 11:57 pm, "Anthony Buckland"
Post by Anthony Buckland
The premise of the movie, simplifying: in the future,
population explosion and climate change lead to the
majority of humans living in, at the most, crowded,
mostly public, accomodation, eating government
issued food pellets of diffent colors, one of which is
Soylent Green (like other flavors, ostensibly made
from soy and lentils). A brave police officer discovers
and publicizes the fact that, since the the oceans are
dying, Soylent Green in particular is manufactured
in fact from recycled human bodies.
So, this happens. In the movie, the consequences
are not discussed. What, in reality, would happen?
If you were desperate to eat, how would you feel about
eating your neighbors?
The basic problem is that people don't like being killed,
whether for food or for other purposes.
Therefore it might be more difficult to keep secret what
is happening so that one can get them to walk into
a food processing plant like a chicken or a cow.
...
In the movie, a giant assisted suicide installation,
in Madison Square Garden IIRC, was set up to give
a decent end to the old, tired, or injured (not much
care in that future society). People had no idea that,
once dead, they would be loaded into a constantly
running convoy of garbage trucks that took them to
the plant to be processed into food. We were left to
imagine what would happen once the news got out
about this. Bloody rebellion seems to me like a
good guess, followed of course by even more food
shortages than already existed.
Bradipus
2010-06-21 20:09:31 UTC
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Post by Anthony Buckland
Post by troll
On Jun 20, 11:57 pm, "Anthony Buckland"
Post by Anthony Buckland
The premise of the movie, simplifying: in the future,
population explosion and climate change lead to the
majority of humans living in, at the most, crowded,
mostly public, accomodation, eating government
issued food pellets of diffent colors, one of which is
Soylent Green (like other flavors, ostensibly made
from soy and lentils). A brave police officer discovers
and publicizes the fact that, since the the oceans are
dying, Soylent Green in particular is manufactured
in fact from recycled human bodies.
So, this happens. In the movie, the consequences
are not discussed. What, in reality, would happen?
If you were desperate to eat, how would you feel about
eating your neighbors?
The basic problem is that people don't like being killed,
whether for food or for other purposes.
Therefore it might be more difficult to keep secret what
is happening so that one can get them to walk into
a food processing plant like a chicken or a cow.
...
In the movie, a giant assisted suicide installation,
Looks like an actively inducted euthanasia program.
Post by Anthony Buckland
in Madison Square Garden IIRC, was set up to give
a decent end to the old, tired, or injured (not much
care in that future society). People had no idea that,
once dead, they would be loaded into a constantly
running convoy of garbage trucks that took them to
the plant to be processed into food. We were left to
imagine what would happen once the news got out
about this. Bloody rebellion seems to me like a
good guess, followed of course by even more food
shortages than already existed.
Anyway the weak premise is that human bodies are converted in
food.

Not very much, 50kg/100lbs meat don't last very long in a
freezer.

One eats his granpa, and what else eats then?
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Allen W. McDonnell
2010-06-22 01:00:24 UTC
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Post by Bradipus
Post by Anthony Buckland
In the movie, a giant assisted suicide installation,
Looks like an actively inducted euthanasia program.
Post by Anthony Buckland
in Madison Square Garden IIRC, was set up to give
a decent end to the old, tired, or injured (not much
care in that future society). People had no idea that,
once dead, they would be loaded into a constantly
running convoy of garbage trucks that took them to
the plant to be processed into food. We were left to
imagine what would happen once the news got out
about this. Bloody rebellion seems to me like a
good guess, followed of course by even more food
shortages than already existed.
Anyway the weak premise is that human bodies are converted in
food.
Not very much, 50kg/100lbs meat don't last very long in a
freezer.
One eats his granpa, and what else eats then?
Humans were far from the main food source in the movie, they were just one
of the many types of Soylent, they had Blue and Red and Yellow and Green at
the very least, plus wealthy people still had access to "farm food" instead
of processed Soylent food that was for the poor and hopeless.

The basic idea was that instead of cremating all those people who were
killed or chose to die they would recycle them into food to ease the burden
on the food supplies, not completely replace all other food with
cannibalized processed humans.
--
~Always appeal to a man's enlightened self interest, you can trust him to
look out for himself honestly.
It is when you appeal to his Honor or the Common Good that he stops paying
attention. ~
pyotr filipivich
2010-06-24 15:47:26 UTC
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Post by Bradipus
Post by Anthony Buckland
in Madison Square Garden IIRC, was set up to give
a decent end to the old, tired, or injured (not much
care in that future society). People had no idea that,
once dead, they would be loaded into a constantly
running convoy of garbage trucks that took them to
the plant to be processed into food. We were left to
imagine what would happen once the news got out
about this. Bloody rebellion seems to me like a
good guess, followed of course by even more food
shortages than already existed.
Anyway the weak premise is that human bodies are converted in
food.
Not very much, 50kg/100lbs meat don't last very long in a
freezer.
One eats his granpa, and what else eats then?
One uses grandpa to provide a little bit of meat protein to add to
the meal. Take a look at the "folk foods" - lots of pastas, rice,
vegetables, with just a bit of meat "for flavor". You need X amount
of protein a day, but that is not enough to"live on".
So, you get a ration of soybeans (processed or unprocessed),
lentils, and other grains and vegetables. SoyLent Green has that
"extra special something" to give it a different flavor. Could be
beef, could be chicken, could be pork. Could also be "long pig".

I recall a short story which was the Congressional testimony of
the President of "Immense Artificial Food Co". He was talking about
the wonders of artificial food, how we've all come to love and enjoy
it, how it has so many flavors, and that through synthesis and the
lab, everyone is able to enjoy what were formerly rare treats. But
this recent offering by Brand X, called "Ambrosia", is both tasty,
nutritious, and fills all the hype. But the researchers at "Immense
Artificial Food Co" have determined that there is a problem - the
subtle flavors that make up Ambrosia, are those of human flesh. Fully
artificial, and not derived from human sources, but ... there you are.
Brand X's new food tastes like people.


tschus
pyotr
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"Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and
lock phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter
room three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge."
Zerkon
2010-06-24 10:58:06 UTC
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The premise of the movie, simplifying: in the future, population
explosion and climate change lead to the majority of humans living in,
at the most, crowded, mostly public, accomodation, eating government
issued food pellets of diffent colors, one of which is Soylent Green
(like other flavors, ostensibly made from soy and lentils). A brave
police officer discovers and publicizes the fact that, since the the
oceans are dying, Soylent Green in particular is manufactured in fact
from recycled human bodies.
So, this happens. In the movie, the consequences are not discussed.
What, in reality, would happen? If you were desperate to eat, how would
you feel about eating your neighbors?
... with a nice Keyainti?
Derek Lyons
2010-06-24 15:23:21 UTC
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Post by Zerkon
The premise of the movie, simplifying: in the future, population
explosion and climate change lead to the majority of humans living in,
at the most, crowded, mostly public, accomodation, eating government
issued food pellets of diffent colors, one of which is Soylent Green
(like other flavors, ostensibly made from soy and lentils). A brave
police officer discovers and publicizes the fact that, since the the
oceans are dying, Soylent Green in particular is manufactured in fact
from recycled human bodies.
So, this happens. In the movie, the consequences are not discussed.
What, in reality, would happen? If you were desperate to eat, how would
you feel about eating your neighbors?
... with a nice Keyainti?
*Chianti*, and fave beans.

D.
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