Post by Ed Stasiak Post by alfred montestruc
The below is an advocation of a political plan to force people off their
native land to another place against their will. Alos in the process
I propose the should-have-been-cleansed be resettled in mainland
China, where they won't demographically swamp the pre-existing
population -- rather the reverse -- and where the blonde ones
should be especially popular. Also, the mainland's government has
harsh but fair policies regarding secession.
It seems to me that Coyu was just doing a bit of sport fishing
(take that hook out of your mouth, Al) and wasn't actually
calling for genocide, so I don't see any reason to get worked
up about it.
I guess Jews in 1920's Germany should not have gotten worked up about "Mein
Post by Ed Stasiak
But I'm not so sure that population transfer _isn't_ a good idea
in some cases, if it could be done without bloodshed (thou that's
Involintary? It is always an immoral thing. That would include the forced
remaval of various native American tribes. And I will not sit still for it.
As to the possibility of it being done without bloodshed, maybe for wussy
boy like you, try it on white american southerners and I wager you will have
a lot more than half of them shooting at you, and looking up your address
and coming to visit to discuss the matter face to face.
Post by Ed Stasiak
I think it would have been easier and more effective in the long run
to transfer African Americas somewhere else then white Southern
Americans, since the legacy of slavery and racism in the U.S. will
likely always be a problem between blacks and whites.
Racial problems in the south are now a tiny fraction of what they were years
ago. I have traveled in the north and think the race problems in the north
are in some places worse than in the south. I would expect that a good many
black people would forcefully, violently object to any such thing, and might
well also be willing to come visit you and discuss it face to face. I would
not be willing to convict anyone who did as a member of a jury either, if
they were so provoked by people making serious political proposals of
"ethnic cleansing" against them.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Take the case of the Polish/German population transfer after WWII,
sure it was bloody but it did prevent the problems that would have
no doubt happened had the Germans and Poles attempted to live
together in the same territories after the war.
Southerners, both white and black get along a hell of a lot better than the
enthnic groups that you bring up, especially now. Probably better than
those other groups you name did even in the immediate post war era.
You don't get it. More than half of all slaves in the late slavery era was
owned by a person that had between 5 and 20 slaves. This is according to
the US census of 1860. That includes women, children and old folks, and
what that translates to is a typical slave owner being a farm family that
owns between 5 and 20 total slaves including women, children and old folks,
obviously the white farm family is probably going to number between two and
12 people. These were small close knit social groups, and that is how white
and black people lived in the south in those days, cheek and jowl, in each
others face 24/7. Whites did not get violent with their own slaves much at
all. Even beatings would reduce the resale value of a slave. The optiumum
was to hold onto slaves for life and not sell them other than as a
punishment for bad behavior, or as a rearrangement of family structure. An
example would be a son moving out to move to Texas from Alabama takes some
of the slaves with him, and buys the wife of a slave from another family to
keep them together. Slaves often if not most of the time married outside
the "family" of the slaves of a given family. When whites were violent with
blacks in that era it was ususally with other people's black slaves that had
run away or were misbehaving in town or such like.
The war and its aftermath broke up this social system, and caused much
physical displacement of people both black and white, and broke up such
groups. Southern whites of that era were socialized to not be violent to
their own blacks w/o cause, but to be very violent to blacks that were not
their own who were disrespectful or were otherwise seen as a problem, other
than with blacks with a visible owner who had them under control.
That era has long passed, and attitudes of both black and white southerners.
This was and is a vastly different situation from people who do not have the
same natve language, and who have very different religious beliefs, and who
are not used to living in close proximity.