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AHC: Make this weird "six power occupation of France" map come true
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David Tenner
2017-06-04 14:52:06 UTC
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Note that *six* countries are occupying France: Germany, Italy, Spain,
Switzerland, Belgium, and the UK. Also note the German *republican* flag,
which apparently eliminates the possibility that it is an Imperial or Nazi
Germany doing the occupying...
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Pete Barrett
2017-06-05 17:39:22 UTC
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Note that *six* countries are occupying France: Germany, Italy, Spain,
Switzerland, Belgium, and the UK. Also note the German *republican* flag,
which apparently eliminates the possibility that it is an Imperial or Nazi
Germany doing the occupying...
May 1968: De Gaulle is _not_ assured of the army's support, and disappears
(he's later found sneaking into Quebec in disguise), leaving France without
a President or any effective government. Prime MInister Georges Pompidou
tries to continue, but can neither govern nor hold an election, while the
country descends into chaos.

June: Daniel Cohn-Bendit declares the Second Paris Commune, headed by
himself and Alain Krivine. The government is forced out of Paris, taking
most of the National Assembly members with it (the others joint the
Commune).
Strikes in transport services, manufacturing, and farming (against the
wishes of the unions) make France ungovernable. Pompidou asks for assistance
at the UN.

July: The countries bordering on France meet and decide to send in troops to
restore order (the US is embroiled in Vietnam and an election campaign, and
the assassination of the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination
causes so many problems that President Johnson feels unable to join the
effort in even a token way). Switzerland and Belgium, being smaller, occupy
only token parts of the country. The main effort is made by West Germany,
Spain, Italy, and the UK.
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Pete BARRETT
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2017-06-05 19:01:30 UTC
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Note that *six* countries are occupying France: Germany, Italy, Spain,
Switzerland, Belgium, and the UK. Also note the German *republican* flag,
which apparently eliminates the possibility that it is an Imperial or Nazi
Germany doing the occupying...
May 1968: De Gaulle is _not_ assured of the army's support, and disappears
(he's later found sneaking into Quebec in disguise), leaving France without
a President or any effective government. Prime MInister Georges Pompidou
tries to continue, but can neither govern nor hold an election, while the
country descends into chaos.
June: Daniel Cohn-Bendit declares the Second Paris Commune, headed by
himself and Alain Krivine. The government is forced out of Paris, taking
most of the National Assembly members with it (the others joint the
Commune).
Strikes in transport services, manufacturing, and farming (against the
wishes of the unions) make France ungovernable. Pompidou asks for assistance
at the UN.
July: The countries bordering on France meet and decide to send in troops to
restore order (the US is embroiled in Vietnam and an election campaign, and
the assassination of the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination
causes so many problems that President Johnson feels unable to join the
effort in even a token way). Switzerland and Belgium, being smaller, occupy
only token parts of the country. The main effort is made by West Germany,
Spain, Italy, and the UK.
And how do you get Switzerland to make even a token occupation? They
weren't even a part of the UN at the time and even in 1986 3/4 of the
population opposed joining.
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Pete Barrett
2017-06-06 16:22:14 UTC
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Note that *six* countries are occupying France: Germany, Italy, Spain,
Switzerland, Belgium, and the UK. Also note the German *republican*
flag, which apparently eliminates the possibility that it is an Imperial
or Nazi Germany doing the occupying...
May 1968: De Gaulle is _not_ assured of the army's support, and
disappears (he's later found sneaking into Quebec in disguise), leaving
France without a President or any effective government. Prime MInister
Georges Pompidou tries to continue, but can neither govern nor hold an
election, while the country descends into chaos.
June: Daniel Cohn-Bendit declares the Second Paris Commune, headed by
himself and Alain Krivine. The government is forced out of Paris, taking
most of the National Assembly members with it (the others joint the
Commune).
Strikes in transport services, manufacturing, and farming (against the
wishes of the unions) make France ungovernable. Pompidou asks for
assistance at the UN.
July: The countries bordering on France meet and decide to send in troops
to restore order (the US is embroiled in Vietnam and an election
campaign, and the assassination of the leading candidate for the
Democratic nomination causes so many problems that President Johnson
feels unable to join the effort in even a token way). Switzerland and
Belgium, being smaller, occupy only token parts of the country. The main
effort is made by West Germany, Spain, Italy, and the UK.
And how do you get Switzerland to make even a token occupation? They
weren't even a part of the UN at the time and even in 1986 3/4 of the
population opposed joining.
Obviously, getting the Swiss, with their tradition of neutrality, to do
anything is one problem. It's obvious that _not_ having France descend into
chaos or become communist is in their interests, but translating that into
political action might be difficult. A direct appeal by Pompidou might do
it.
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Graham Truesdale
2017-06-12 21:39:40 UTC
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Note that *six* countries are occupying France: Germany, Italy, Spain,
Switzerland, Belgium, and the UK. Also note the German *republican*
flag, which apparently eliminates the possibility that it is an Imperial
or Nazi Germany doing the occupying...
May 1968: De Gaulle is _not_ assured of the army's support, and
disappears (he's later found sneaking into Quebec in disguise), leaving
France without a President or any effective government. Prime MInister
Georges Pompidou tries to continue, but can neither govern nor hold an
election, while the country descends into chaos.
June: Daniel Cohn-Bendit declares the Second Paris Commune, headed by
himself and Alain Krivine. The government is forced out of Paris, taking
most of the National Assembly members with it (the others joint the
Commune).
Strikes in transport services, manufacturing, and farming (against the
wishes of the unions) make France ungovernable. Pompidou asks for
assistance at the UN.
July: The countries bordering on France meet and decide to send in troops
to restore order (the US is embroiled in Vietnam and an election
campaign, and the assassination of the leading candidate for the
Democratic nomination causes so many problems that President Johnson
feels unable to join the effort in even a token way). Switzerland and
Belgium, being smaller, occupy only token parts of the country. The main
effort is made by West Germany, Spain, Italy, and the UK.
And how do you get Switzerland to make even a token occupation? They
weren't even a part of the UN at the time and even in 1986 3/4 of the
population opposed joining.
Obviously, getting the Swiss, with their tradition of neutrality, to do
anything is one problem. It's obvious that _not_ having France descend into
chaos or become communist is in their interests, but translating that into
political action might be difficult. A direct appeal by Pompidou might do
it.
What if a Cohn-Bendit sympathising group organises a rising in Besancon, declares that it does not recognise Imperialist borders, and acts accordingly? By the time the Swiss Army resolve this issue, they discover that they have accidentally/absent-mindedly occupied Franche-Comte. Best I can do.
Tim
2017-06-05 22:55:33 UTC
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Note that *six* countries are occupying France: Germany, Italy, Spain,
Switzerland, Belgium, and the UK. Also note the German *republican* flag,
which apparently eliminates the possibility that it is an Imperial or Nazi
Germany doing the occupying...
May 1968: De Gaulle is _not_ assured of the army's support, and disappears
(he's later found sneaking into Quebec in disguise), leaving France without
a President or any effective government. Prime MInister Georges Pompidou
tries to continue, but can neither govern nor hold an election, while the
country descends into chaos.
June: Daniel Cohn-Bendit declares the Second Paris Commune, headed by
himself and Alain Krivine. The government is forced out of Paris, taking
most of the National Assembly members with it (the others joint the
Commune).
Strikes in transport services, manufacturing, and farming (against the
wishes of the unions) make France ungovernable. Pompidou asks for assistance
at the UN.
July: The countries bordering on France meet and decide to send in troops to
restore order (the US is embroiled in Vietnam and an election campaign, and
the assassination of the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination
causes so many problems that President Johnson feels unable to join the
effort in even a token way). Switzerland and Belgium, being smaller, occupy
only token parts of the country. The main effort is made by West Germany,
Spain, Italy, and the UK.
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Pete BARRETT
Would the other 5 be so agreeable as to allow Franco's Spain to occupy such a large proportion of the country?
Pete Barrett
2017-06-06 16:35:54 UTC
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Note that *six* countries are occupying France: Germany, Italy, Spain,
Switzerland, Belgium, and the UK. Also note the German *republican*
flag, which apparently eliminates the possibility that it is an
Imperial or Nazi Germany doing the occupying...
May 1968: De Gaulle is _not_ assured of the army's support, and
disappears (he's later found sneaking into Quebec in disguise), leaving
France without a President or any effective government. Prime MInister
Georges Pompidou tries to continue, but can neither govern nor hold an
election, while the country descends into chaos.
June: Daniel Cohn-Bendit declares the Second Paris Commune, headed by
himself and Alain Krivine. The government is forced out of Paris, taking
most of the National Assembly members with it (the others joint the
Commune).
Strikes in transport services, manufacturing, and farming (against the
wishes of the unions) make France ungovernable. Pompidou asks for
assistance at the UN.
July: The countries bordering on France meet and decide to send in troops
to restore order (the US is embroiled in Vietnam and an election
campaign, and the assassination of the leading candidate for the
Democratic nomination causes so many problems that President Johnson
feels unable to join the effort in even a token way). Switzerland and
Belgium, being smaller, occupy only token parts of the country. The main
effort is made by West Germany, Spain, Italy, and the UK.
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Pete BARRETT
Would the other 5 be so agreeable as to allow Franco's Spain to occupy
such a large proportion of the country?
There are 2 out-and-out communists in charge of Paris, riots in other
cities, chaos in the countryside. The chance of France going communist would
be perceived as very high, and while the Cold War was thawing a little in
1968, anti-communism was still the principle consideration for a lot of
countries (look at the attitude of the US, UK, and FRG to the Greek
colonels). I don't think it's out of the question that Franco would be
allowed to join in - Wilson would no doubt be holding his nose, but
Kiesinger would be more sympathetic, and Italy was right-leaning at the
time.
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Pete BARRETT
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2017-06-08 03:30:59 UTC
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The closest I can come is circa 1815, when Russia, Prussia, GB, and AH occupy France. Of course, Germany, Belgium, and Italy didn't exist at the time.
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