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"God-Building"
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David Tenner
2016-08-25 18:31:06 UTC
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The Great Soviet Encyclopedia, as one might expect, shares Lenin's
negative view of it:

"Bogostroitel’stvo

(god-creating), an ethical tendency that arose among Marxist men of
letters during the first decade of the 20th century in Russia, which
regarded the creative activity of human beings as religious. The
proponents of bogostroitel’stvo proclaimed that it was based on the
teachings of Marx, which they understood in distorted fashion.

They aimed at discovering in Marxist theory the key to solving personal
problems that are beyond the control of science, such as the fear of
death, loneliness, and so forth without appealing to a superhuman force.
The representatives of this trend--A. Lunacharsky, V. Bazarov, and to some
extent M. Gorky--declared their task to be the founding of a new
proletarian religion without a god, which in fact became the deification
of the collective and of progress, which are called on to arouse the
'complex creative feeling of faith in one’s own powers and hope for the
victory of the love of life' (M. Gorky, Otvet na anketu 'Frantsuzskogo
Merkuriia') and to link the ideal with reality in practice. The theory of
bogostroitel’stvo proceeds from the proposition that every ideology has as
its basis a Weltanschauung which unites people in the emotional sense with
the 'sacred,' which need not necessarily be god. Here bogostroitel’stvo
came close to the 'positive religion' of A. Comte and the 'religion of
humanity' of L. Feuerbach. The representatives of bogostroitel’stvo
propagandized their ideas in the press (the collection Studies in the
Philosophy of Marxism, 1908; V. Barazov, 'Bogoiskatel’stvo and
Bogostroitel stvo,' in Summits, book 1, 1909). In 1909 they organized a
school for workers on the island of Capri, which was called a 'literary
center for bogostroitel’stvo' (V. I. Lenin, Poln. sobr. soch., 5th ed.,
vol. 47, p. 198), and later they organized the factional Vpered (Forward)
group. G. V. Plekhanov sharply criticized bogostroitel’stvo as a theory
incompatible with Marxism ('O tak nazyvaemykh religioznykh iskaniiakh v
Rossii.' Soch., vol. 17). V.I. Lenin linked bogostroitel’stvo with the
political tactics of the otzovisty (recallers) and ultimatisty in Russia.
In June 1909 a conference of the enlarged editorial board of the Bolshevik
newspaper Proletarii evaluated bogostroitel’stvo as 'a tendency which has
broken with the fundamentals of Marxism' (KPSS v rezoliutsiiakh 7th ed.,
part 1, 1954, p. 222). V. I. Lenin wrote that this tendency objectively
coincided with the desires of the reactionary bourgeoisie 'to revive
religion, increase the demand for religion, invent religion, innoculate
the people with religion, or strengthen the hold of religion on them in
new forms' ('O fraktsii storonikov otzovizma i bogostroitel’-stva'; see
Poln. sobr. soch., 5th ed., vol. 19, p. 90).

Bogostroitel’stvo did not become very widespread, and its supporters
subsequently renounced their attempt to give a religious interpretation to
Marxism."

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Bogostroitelstvo

***

A critic of Marxism, Leszek Kolakowski, does not take a much more
favorable view (*Main Currents of Marxism*):

"6. The'God-builders'

Anatoly Vasilyevich Lunacharsky (1875-1933) is noted in the history of
Russian Marxism not only for helping to spread the empiriocriticai heresy
and for his work as a literary critic and dramatist (not of the first
rank) and art theoretician but also for his plan, which especially
infuriated Lenin' for a 'socialist religion.'

This plan, known as 'God-building' (Bogostroitelstvo), was a Marxist
counterpart to the general increase of interest in religion after the 1905
Revolution, just as the empiriocriticism of the social democrats was a
result of the permeation of the revolutionary intelligentsia by
philosophic modernism. The movement is chiefly associated with the names
of Lunacharsky and Gorky, and was a kind of reconstruction of the
'religion of humanity', expounded by Comte and especially Feuerbach.

Lunacharsky developed his idea of an anthropocentric Marxist religion in
several articles and in a book entitled *Religion and Socialism* (1908,
second volume 1911). G. L. Kline, an authority on the Russian religious
tradition, observes that the God-builders adopted not oniy Feuerbach's
deification of humanity, but perhaps in an even greater degree,
Nietzsche's ideal of the superman.

The new religion was to be an answer not only to the 'God-seeking'
movement (Bogoiskatelstvo) of Christian philosophers but also to the arid
old-fashioned atheism of Plekhanov and the other orthodox Marxists, for
whom the history of religion was summed up in the opposition between it
and science. Lunacharaky and Gorky argued that historical religions were
not a mere bundle of superstitions, but were the expression, albeit
ideologically false, of desires and feelings that socialism should take
over and ennoble, not destroy. The new religion was purely immanent and
had no need of belief in God, the supernatural world, or personal
immortality, but it embraced all that was positive and creative in
traditional faiths: the sense of community, man's yearning to transcend
himself, a profound communion with the universe and the rest of mankind.
Religion had always sought to reconcile men with their lives and give them
a sense of the meaning of existence: this, and not metaphysical
explanation, was its chief function. The old myths had collapsed, but men
still sought to find a meaning in life; socialism opened up dazzling
prospects and was able to inspire feelings of unity and enthusiasm that
deserved to be called religious. Marx was not only a scholar, but equally
a prophet. In socialist religion God was replaced by humanity; a superior
creation in which the individual could find an object of love and worship:
he could thus rise above his insignificant ego and experience the joy of
sacrificing his own interest to the infinite increase of collective Being.
Man's affective identification with humanity would liberate him from the
fear of suffering and death, restore his dignity and spiritual strength,
and enhance his creative abilities. The new faith was a premonition of the
great harmony of the future: individual mortality was cancelled by
collective immortality, and human actions thus acquired a meaning. The
true creator of God was the proletariat, and its revolution was the
fundamental act of God-building.

All this Promethean rhetoric and deification of humanity, with its stress
on a future harmony as a surrogate of transcendence for the individual,
was in effect a repetition of Feuerbach's philosophy, with anthropology
considered as 'the secret' of theology. It added nothing to Marxist
philosophy, and was merely an attempt to give emotional colour to
'scientific socialism'. As in Feuerbach, the words 'religion' and
'religious feeling' were used as mere ornaments and were unrelated to any
actual religious tradition. 'God-building' was an attempt to assimilate
the neo-Romantic vocabulary and to channel the religious inclinations of
the intelligentsia, and religious emotion generally, into the service of
socialism. Plekhanov and Lenin, however, condemned it as a dangerous
flirtation with 'religious obscurantism', and after the Revolution
Lunacharsky dropped the 'new style' and reverted to the traditional
language of atheism. Thereafter 'God-building' had no discernible
influence on Marxist ideology..."
https://books.google.com/books?id=qUCxpznbkaoC&pg=PA713

***

AHC: In spite of this consensus, have *Bogostroitel’stvo* somehow get
somewhere in the Soviet Union. Maybe Lenin dies in exile, and his
political/philosophical opponents (Bogdanov, Lunacharsky, etc.) take over
the Bolshevik Party. Maybe the young Stalin supports their heresies, or at
least does not oppose them. (It is striking that in OTL, Stalin had some
sympathy with Lenin's' critics: "Stalin was irritated by Lenin's feud with
Bogdanov. 'How do you like Bogdanov's new book?' Soso asked his friend
Malakia Toroshelidze, in Geneva. 'In my view, some of Ilich's [Lenin's]
individual blunders are significantly and correctly noted in it. He also
notes that Ilich's materialism is...different from Plekahnov's
which...Ilich tries to hide.'"
https://books.google.com/books?id=Jrkl5e1joNMC&pg=PT313 (See
https://books.google.com/books?id=gOImZ1q6v2MC&pg=PA105 for a slightly
different translation.)

Of course whether Lenin's Bolshevik critics could make a successful
revolution is another matter...
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David Tenner
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Alex Milman
2016-08-25 19:14:48 UTC
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Post by David Tenner
The Great Soviet Encyclopedia, as one might expect, shares Lenin's
"Bogostroitel’stvo
(god-creating), an ethical tendency that arose among Marxist men of
letters during the first decade of the 20th century in Russia, which
regarded the creative activity of human beings as religious. The
proponents of bogostroitel’stvo proclaimed that it was based on the
teachings of Marx, which they understood in distorted fashion.
They aimed at discovering in Marxist theory the key to solving personal
problems that are beyond the control of science, such as the fear of
death, loneliness, and so forth without appealing to a superhuman force.
The representatives of this trend--A. Lunacharsky,
V. Bazarov, and to some
extent M. Gorky--declared their task to be the founding of a new
proletarian religion without a god, which in fact became the deification
of the collective and of progress, which are called on to arouse the
'complex creative feeling of faith in one’s own powers and hope for the
victory of the love of life'
Wasn't this accomplished by deification of The Greatest Genius of ALL
Times? :-)
Post by David Tenner
(M. Gorky, Otvet na anketu 'Frantsuzskogo
Merkuriia') and to link the ideal with reality in practice. The theory of
bogostroitel’stvo proceeds from the proposition that every ideology has as
its basis a Weltanschauung which unites people in the emotional sense with
the 'sacred,' which need not necessarily be god. Here bogostroitel’stvo
came close to the 'positive religion' of A. Comte and the 'religion of
humanity' of L. Feuerbach. The representatives of bogostroitel’stvo
propagandized their ideas in the press (the collection Studies in the
Philosophy of Marxism, 1908; V. Barazov, 'Bogoiskatel’stvo and
Bogostroitel stvo,' in Summits, book 1, 1909). In 1909 they organized a
school for workers on the island of Capri, which was called a 'literary
center for bogostroitel’stvo' (V. I. Lenin, Poln. sobr. soch., 5th ed.,
vol. 47, p. 198), and later they organized the factional Vpered (Forward)
group. G. V. Plekhanov sharply criticized bogostroitel’stvo as a theory
incompatible with Marxism ('O tak nazyvaemykh religioznykh iskaniiakh v
Rossii.' Soch., vol. 17). V.I. Lenin linked bogostroitel’stvo with the
political tactics of the otzovisty (recallers) and ultimatisty in Russia.
In June 1909 a conference of the enlarged editorial board of the Bolshevik
newspaper Proletarii evaluated bogostroitel’stvo as 'a tendency which has
broken with the fundamentals of Marxism' (KPSS v rezoliutsiiakh 7th ed.,
part 1, 1954, p. 222). V. I. Lenin wrote that this tendency objectively
coincided with the desires of the reactionary bourgeoisie 'to revive
religion, increase the demand for religion, invent religion, innoculate
the people with religion, or strengthen the hold of religion on them in
new forms' ('O fraktsii storonikov otzovizma i bogostroitel’-stva'; see
Poln. sobr. soch., 5th ed., vol. 19, p. 90).
And he ended up as a deity as well. :-)

The problem with this one was that he could not grasp situation beyond a
very short time span (but as a short-term tactician he was superb) so his
drivel on the issues of a "theory" does not worth time you have to spend
on reading it.

The same goes for other people breaking 'with the fundamentals of Marxism':
his own theory about the weakest link was going totally contrary to these "fundamentals" and he and his cronies made Marxism just one more religion
so what was his problem?

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Post by David Tenner
...Maybe Lenin dies in exile, and his
political/philosophical opponents (Bogdanov, Lunacharsky, etc.) take over
the Bolshevik Party.

Don't know enough about Bogdanov but the only thing that Lunacharsky was
provably capable of retaking was other people's jewelry: his wife was
seemingly proud of looking as a Christmas tree (probably as a form of a
compensation for an absolute absence of an artistic talent).
Post by David Tenner
Maybe the young Stalin supports their heresies, or at
least does not oppose them.

In OTL Stalin figured out usefulness of the religion and ended up
making an Orthodox Church a semi-official branch of a government:
when properly channeled, a religion proved to be one more form of
a propaganda and a good tool of a state control over a certain segment
of society.
Post by David Tenner
Of course whether Lenin's Bolshevik critics could make a successful
revolution is another matter...
Lunacharsky as a leader of the Russian Revolution.... everybody would be
so busy laughing that they'd not notice as it happened. :-)
Rich Rostrom
2016-08-25 21:13:45 UTC
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Post by David Tenner
AHC: In spite of this consensus, have *Bogostroitel’stvo* somehow get
somewhere in the Soviet Union.
There was this passage in Shaw's play "Major Barbara":

==============

UNDERSHAFT [stooping to smell the bouquet] Where did you get the
flowers, my dear?

LADY BRITOMART. Your men presented them to me in your
William Morris Labour Church.

CUSINS [springing up] Oh! It needed only that. A Labor Church!

LADY BRITOMART. Yes, with Morris's words in mosaic letters ten
feet high round the dome. NO MAN IS GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ANOTHER
MAN'S MASTER. The cynicism of it!

=============

The play came out in 1905. There had been, in the 1890s,
a "Labour Church" founded by a Christian Socialist
Unitarian minister. http://spartacus-educational.com/RElabour.htm

The founder left in 1900, and it disappeared by WW I.

However --- in 1935 or so, Shaw revisited "Major Barbara",
and produced a revised script intended for a film version.

[Shaw was not a screenwriter, and this script is not a
real screenplay. It does include some scenes and actions
that would be possible on the screen but not the stage.]

In this version (which I have on paper, but packed away,
there is an extended description of the Labour Church,
which has icons of Labour, including Wells, the Webbs,
the Bolsheviks, and Shaw himself ("all the reddest of Reds",
says Mr. Undershaft), and even "Saint William [Morris] of
Kelmscott".

WI this "Labour Church" had really existed?
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The real Velvet Revolution - and the would-be hijacker.

http://originalvelvetrevolution.com
Pete Barrett
2016-08-27 08:11:09 UTC
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Post by Rich Rostrom
In this version (which I have on paper, but packed away,
there is an extended description of the Labour Church,
which has icons of Labour, including Wells, the Webbs,
the Bolsheviks, and Shaw himself ("all the reddest of Reds",
says Mr. Undershaft), and even "Saint William [Morris] of
Kelmscott".
WI this "Labour Church" had really existed?
Jermy Corbyn could have been a well-meaning, charismatic, but fundamentally
ineffective, local vicar!
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Pete BARRETT
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2016-08-26 15:10:23 UTC
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Carnegie Museuum of the same era as the labour church has the same art; high murals of stylized workers.

Maybe you can start by getting whatsername, Katherine Coleman, the radio church gal involved.

Nils K. Hammer
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