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AHC: President Jackson's War for Cuba or California
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Rob
2017-10-11 22:48:16 UTC
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Here's the challenge - with a PoD any time after 1816, have an Andrew Jackson administration fight and win a war with Spain over Cuba, or a war with Mexico over California, Texas, maybe the Yucatan or other places sometime between 1825 and 1837 [choose from his historic terms, plus John Quincy Adams' term in case Jackson is elected in 24 and inaugurated in 25]
Insane Ranter
2017-10-12 02:39:42 UTC
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Here's the challenge - with a PoD any time after 1816, have an Andrew Jackson administration fight and win a war with Spain over Cuba, or a war with Mexico over California, Texas, maybe the Yucatan or other places sometime between 1825 and 1837 [choose from his historic terms, plus John Quincy Adams' term in case Jackson is elected in 24 and inaugurated in 25]
At the end of the Seven Years war... Britain keeps Cuba. Roll forward The Original 13 plus Cuba sign the Declaration of Independence and the 14 colonies become States.

The USA wins and pretty much as in OTL from the USA with 14 states not just 13. Spain claims that they should have Cuba. The issue simmers till it comes to a boil the second year of Jackson's first term. Wanting to regain the "riches of Cuba" Spain demands Cuba back.... War in begins.

Spain really unable to finance the war looses...
Pete Barrett
2017-10-13 21:20:03 UTC
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Post by Rob
Here's the challenge - with a PoD any time after 1816, have an Andrew
Jackson administration fight and win a war with Spain over Cuba, or a
war with Mexico over California, Texas, maybe the Yucatan or other
places sometime between 1825 and 1837 [choose from his historic terms,
plus John Quincy Adams' term in case Jackson is elected in 24 and
inaugurated in 25]
At the end of the Seven Years war... Britain keeps Cuba. Roll forward
The Original 13 plus Cuba sign the Declaration of Independence and the
14 colonies become States.
But why would Cuba do this? The other British Caribbean islands didn't
join the US, so why should Cuba? The Cuban Spanish would probably be
treated no worse by the British than the Quebec French, and they didn't
join the US, either.

And of course, Cuba is an island, and Britain was a naval power. If Cuba
*did* revolt with the 13 states, surely the one state that Britain is
likely to be able to keep, and the US is unlikely to be able to retake,
is Cuba.
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Pete BARRETT
The Horny Goat
2017-10-14 02:39:27 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 21:20:03 +0000 (UTC), Pete Barrett
Post by Pete Barrett
Post by Insane Ranter
Post by Rob
Here's the challenge - with a PoD any time after 1816, have an Andrew
Jackson administration fight and win a war with Spain over Cuba, or a
war with Mexico over California, Texas, maybe the Yucatan or other
places sometime between 1825 and 1837 [choose from his historic terms,
plus John Quincy Adams' term in case Jackson is elected in 24 and
inaugurated in 25]
At the end of the Seven Years war... Britain keeps Cuba. Roll forward
The Original 13 plus Cuba sign the Declaration of Independence and the
14 colonies become States.
But why would Cuba do this? The other British Caribbean islands didn't
join the US, so why should Cuba? The Cuban Spanish would probably be
treated no worse by the British than the Quebec French, and they didn't
join the US, either.
And of course, Cuba is an island, and Britain was a naval power. If Cuba
*did* revolt with the 13 states, surely the one state that Britain is
likely to be able to keep, and the US is unlikely to be able to retake,
is Cuba.
I like the scenario but how does Cuba join the United States in 1783
(or whenever the war ended in this scenario) but not Florida which I'm
fairly certain was also a Spanish possession in this era. Are you
suggesting that in 1763 Spain cedes Cuba but not Florida?

Of course unless there's a 1770 *Cuba Act like the 1770 Quebec Act
retaining Cuba could be rather hard for the colonists.

What in my opinion is particularly interesting is where you have Cuba
as part of the Articles of Confederation (thus tilting the free-slave
balance) but NOT part of America at the peace table - which flips the
free-slave balance the other way...there's no West Virginia yet!

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