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Some what ifs about St. Petersburg and WWI and 20th century Russian history
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Rob
2017-08-06 13:30:32 UTC
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a) AHC: Germans capture St. Petersburg or Petrograd while it is still Russia's capital (under a Tsarist or Provisional or Boleshevik regime). Consequences after that?

b) What if Russia moved the capital from St. Petersburg to Moscow after the great retreat of 1915? Knock-ons for governmental stability/resiliency in Russia?

c) What if the Bolesheviks kept Petrograd ( and then Leningrad) as capital instead of moving it to Moscow for the interwar era? Or what if Leningrad were restored as capital after the civil war? Presuming there's still a Barbarossa, how might Soviet defenses and troop concentrations be organized differently from OTL?
SolomonW
2017-08-07 07:41:48 UTC
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c) What if the Bolesheviks kept Petrograd ( and then Leningrad) as capital instead of moving it to Moscow for the interwar era? Or what if Leningrad were restored as capital after the civil war? Presuming there's still a Barbarossa, how might Soviet defenses and troop concentrations be organized differently from OTL?
It could make a major change in WW2. Leningrad was takable by the Germans.
WolfBear
2017-08-08 02:09:13 UTC
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c) What if the Bolesheviks kept Petrograd ( and then Leningrad) as capital instead of moving it to Moscow for the interwar era? Or what if Leningrad were restored as capital after the civil war? Presuming there's still a Barbarossa, how might Soviet defenses and troop concentrations be organized differently from OTL?
It could make a major change in WW2. Leningrad was takable by the Germans.
Eh ... I'm not so sure about that.
SolomonW
2017-08-08 13:11:55 UTC
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c) What if the Bolesheviks kept Petrograd ( and then Leningrad) as capital instead of moving it to Moscow for the interwar era? Or what if Leningrad were restored as capital after the civil war? Presuming there's still a Barbarossa, how might Soviet defenses and troop concentrations be organized differently from OTL?
It could make a major change in WW2. Leningrad was takable by the Germans.
Eh ... I'm not so sure about that.
Why do you say that?
WolfBear
2017-08-09 04:46:39 UTC
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c) What if the Bolesheviks kept Petrograd ( and then Leningrad) as capital instead of moving it to Moscow for the interwar era? Or what if Leningrad were restored as capital after the civil war? Presuming there's still a Barbarossa, how might Soviet defenses and troop concentrations be organized differently from OTL?
It could make a major change in WW2. Leningrad was takable by the Germans.
Eh ... I'm not so sure about that.
Why do you say that?
Because a 2.5-year-long Nazi German siege ultimately failed to result in its capture.
SolomonW
2017-08-09 10:28:13 UTC
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c) What if the Bolesheviks kept Petrograd ( and then Leningrad) as capital instead of moving it to Moscow for the interwar era? Or what if Leningrad were restored as capital after the civil war? Presuming there's still a Barbarossa, how might Soviet defenses and troop concentrations be organized differently from OTL?
It could make a major change in WW2. Leningrad was takable by the Germans.
Eh ... I'm not so sure about that.
Why do you say that?
Because a 2.5-year-long Nazi German siege ultimately failed to result in its capture.
I would say that is because the Germans decided to make a grab on Moscow.
Alex Milman
2017-08-07 15:03:53 UTC
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a) AHC: Germans capture St. Petersburg or Petrograd while it is still Russia's capital (under a Tsarist or Provisional or Boleshevik regime). Consequences after that?
b) What if Russia moved the capital from St. Petersburg to Moscow after the great retreat of 1915? Knock-ons for governmental stability/resiliency in Russia?
I suspect that "stability/resiliency" much more depended on a military
production (which was in a lousy shape in 1915 being a major factor in that
retreat): when you don't have shells for your artillery and there are not enough rifles for the troops, do you really care about location of your
capital?
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c) What if the Bolesheviks kept Petrograd ( and then Leningrad) as capital instead of moving it to Moscow for the interwar era?
They moved mostly because they freaked out but the city was not captured so
did it REALLY matter?
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Or what if Leningrad were restored as capital after the civil war?
What difference would it make besides idiotic location for a capital? Well, it
was there for couple centuries and threatened more than once.
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Presuming there's still a Barbarossa, how might Soviet defenses and troop concentrations be organized differently from OTL?
Government would be evacuated after the first disasters and the rest is more
or less the same.
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