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Mexico fights on in 1848
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WolfBear
2017-10-02 01:57:33 UTC
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What if, after the occupation of its capital by the U.S. in late 1847, Mexico decides to fight on in the form of supporting an anti-U.S. insurgency throughout Mexico (as opposed to negotiating the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo with the U.S.)?

How damaging would such a Mexican insurgency have been to the U.S. forces stationed there?

Also, how would this have affected the 1848 U.S. elections?

Finally, if the Whigs still win in 1848 in this TL, do they offer to negotiate a better treaty for Mexico or do they--as U.S. President James K. Polk--insist that Mexico sell New Mexico and Alta California to the U.S.?

Any thoughts on all of this?
Rich Rostrom
2017-10-02 17:14:06 UTC
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Any thoughts on all of this?
Mexican guerrilla resistance in the south can
plague US occupation forces, and Mexico can
refuse to sign any treaty with the US which
has the Mexican Cession, but there is nothing
Mexicans can do to re-establish Mexican control
of New Mexico and California.

If after several months there is no one willing
to speak for Mexico to the US... The US would
probably be able to find someone in New Mexico
and California to declare independence from
Mexico and apply for US statehood. US troops
would then be withdrawn from the south and
stationed on the border of the annexed territory
to keep out Mexican troops.
--
Nous sommes dans une pot de chambre, et nous y serons emmerdés.
--- General Auguste-Alexandre Ducrot at Sedan, 1870.
WolfBear
2017-10-02 17:21:08 UTC
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Any thoughts on all of this?
Mexican guerrilla resistance in the south can
plague US occupation forces, and Mexico can
refuse to sign any treaty with the US which
has the Mexican Cession, but there is nothing
Mexicans can do to re-establish Mexican control
of New Mexico and California.
If after several months there is no one willing
to speak for Mexico to the US... The US would
probably be able to find someone in New Mexico
and California to declare independence from
Mexico and apply for US statehood. US troops
would then be withdrawn from the south and
stationed on the border of the annexed territory
to keep out Mexican troops.
--
Nous sommes dans une pot de chambre, et nous y serons emmerdés.
--- General Auguste-Alexandre Ducrot at Sedan, 1870.
Would the Administration of Zachary Taylor (a Whig) have insisted on acquiring as much Mexican territory as Polk demanded, though?
Rob
2017-10-02 22:40:54 UTC
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Any thoughts on all of this?
Mexican guerrilla resistance in the south can
plague US occupation forces, and Mexico can
refuse to sign any treaty with the US which
has the Mexican Cession, but there is nothing
Mexicans can do to re-establish Mexican control
of New Mexico and California.
If after several months there is no one willing
to speak for Mexico to the US... The US would
probably be able to find someone in New Mexico
and California to declare independence from
Mexico and apply for US statehood. US troops
would then be withdrawn from the south and
stationed on the border of the annexed territory
to keep out Mexican troops.
--
Nous sommes dans une pot de chambre, et nous y serons emmerdés.
--- General Auguste-Alexandre Ducrot at Sedan, 1870.
Would the Administration of Zachary Taylor (a Whig) have insisted on acquiring as much Mexican territory as Polk demanded, though?
-----Well that depends, on the one-hand, war-weariness would increase. On the other hand, ongoing military operations would probably see American troops get thicker on the ground in California and New Mexico.
Insane Ranter
2017-10-03 23:12:41 UTC
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There were guerrilla action and hostilities until August when the last US troops left Mexico.

Some were against Mexico some General Lane had to deal with. I doubt that the 44-11 defeat of annexing parts of Northern Mexico gets over turned by more guerrilla actions. You might get it to go the other way though.

A Whig "see!!!! we told you!!!!!!' thing.

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