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How about switching to alt.history.what-if?
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David Tenner
2018-06-18 06:02:02 UTC
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If this post gets through--the majority of my recent atttmepted posts to SHWI
haven't--I would like to suggest switching to alt.history.what-if, which
Google has not (yet) killed.
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David Tenner
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Dimensional Traveler
2018-06-18 15:41:19 UTC
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Post by David Tenner
If this post gets through--the majority of my recent atttmepted posts to SHWI
haven't--I would like to suggest switching to alt.history.what-if, which
Google has not (yet) killed.
Many of those not using Google Groups won't be able to use any ALT
newsgroup. Various Usenet service providers have some or all of the ALT
hierarchy blocked.
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instinct are running screaming.
Phil McGregor
2018-06-19 00:46:02 UTC
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Post by David Tenner
If this post gets through--the majority of my recent atttmepted posts to SHWI
haven't--I would like to suggest switching to alt.history.what-if, which
Google has not (yet) killed.
Many of those not using Google Groups won't be able to use any ALT
newsgroup. Various Usenet service providers have some or all of the ALT
hierarchy blocked.
My ISP's last usenet server was mothballed around seven or eight years ago and, since then, I have subscribed to the usneet feed from
news.individual.net through the Free University of Berlin which certainly has alt.history.what-if ... it's around A$10 per year to
subscribe.

And it's probably worthwhile using a non-Google email/news program with it. I have used Forte Agent for pretty much the entire time I have
been on the group, and it's reasonably priced and easy to set up. There are, of course, other, free, usenet/email programs available that
would do the job.

Pity about the archives, though.

Phil

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The Horny Goat
2018-06-19 00:49:14 UTC
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Post by Phil McGregor
My ISP's last usenet server was mothballed around seven or eight years ago and, since then, I have subscribed to the usneet feed from
news.individual.net through the Free University of Berlin which certainly has alt.history.what-if ... it's around A$10 per year to
subscribe.
And it's probably worthwhile using a non-Google email/news program with it. I have used Forte Agent for pretty much the entire time I have
been on the group, and it's reasonably priced and easy to set up. There are, of course, other, free, usenet/email programs available that
would do the job.
Pity about the archives, though.
Phil
As I long time poster (04/94 was the first I've found) I feel much the
same way as Phil - though I do the $29US/month for the Easynews feeds
as I'm a big binary downloader and like their interface for finding
stuff from newsgroups I don't subscribe to (which I will subscribe to
if I find enough useful in a non-subscribed group).

I 125% agree with Phil on the demise of the archives ex-DejaNews -
which was for Usenet what the Wayback Machine is for the web.
Robert Woodward
2018-06-19 04:58:21 UTC
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Post by Phil McGregor
My ISP's last usenet server was mothballed around seven or eight years ago
and, since then, I have subscribed to the usneet feed from
news.individual.net through the Free University of Berlin which certainly
has alt.history.what-if ... it's around A$10 per year to
subscribe.
And it's probably worthwhile using a non-Google email/news program with it.
I have used Forte Agent for pretty much the entire time I have
been on the group, and it's reasonably priced and easy to set up. There are,
of course, other, free, usenet/email programs available that
would do the job.
Pity about the archives, though.
Phil
As I long time poster (04/94 was the first I've found) I feel much the
same way as Phil - though I do the $29US/month for the Easynews feeds
as I'm a big binary downloader and like their interface for finding
stuff from newsgroups I don't subscribe to (which I will subscribe to
if I find enough useful in a non-subscribed group).
I 125% agree with Phil on the demise of the archives ex-DejaNews -
which was for Usenet what the Wayback Machine is for the web.
I have wondered about the language in the purchase agreement when Google
bought DejaNews. In particular, would dropping a Big-8 newsgroup be a
violation of that agreement?
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"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
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Dimensional Traveler
2018-06-19 05:06:45 UTC
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Post by The Horny Goat
Post by Phil McGregor
My ISP's last usenet server was mothballed around seven or eight years ago
and, since then, I have subscribed to the usneet feed from
news.individual.net through the Free University of Berlin which certainly
has alt.history.what-if ... it's around A$10 per year to
subscribe.
And it's probably worthwhile using a non-Google email/news program with it.
I have used Forte Agent for pretty much the entire time I have
been on the group, and it's reasonably priced and easy to set up. There are,
of course, other, free, usenet/email programs available that
would do the job.
Pity about the archives, though.
Phil
As I long time poster (04/94 was the first I've found) I feel much the
same way as Phil - though I do the $29US/month for the Easynews feeds
as I'm a big binary downloader and like their interface for finding
stuff from newsgroups I don't subscribe to (which I will subscribe to
if I find enough useful in a non-subscribed group).
I 125% agree with Phil on the demise of the archives ex-DejaNews -
which was for Usenet what the Wayback Machine is for the web.
I have wondered about the language in the purchase agreement when Google
bought DejaNews. In particular, would dropping a Big-8 newsgroup be a
violation of that agreement?
Google hasn't "dropped" SHWI, they've "blocked" it for spamming.
Entirely different things, just ask any lawyer.
--
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
instinct are running screaming.
The Horny Goat
2018-06-19 05:12:51 UTC
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 22:06:45 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
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Google hasn't "dropped" SHWI, they've "blocked" it for spamming.
Entirely different things, just ask any lawyer.
Agreed - the catch is that their own servers were the source of the
spam.

Something like the apocryphal British headline "storms at sea - Europe
isolated"
Robert Woodward
2018-06-20 04:44:35 UTC
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Post by Robert Woodward
Post by The Horny Goat
Post by Phil McGregor
My ISP's last usenet server was mothballed around seven or eight years ago
and, since then, I have subscribed to the usneet feed from
news.individual.net through the Free University of Berlin which certainly
has alt.history.what-if ... it's around A$10 per year to
subscribe.
And it's probably worthwhile using a non-Google email/news program with it.
I have used Forte Agent for pretty much the entire time I have
been on the group, and it's reasonably priced and easy to set up. There are,
of course, other, free, usenet/email programs available that
would do the job.
Pity about the archives, though.
Phil
As I long time poster (04/94 was the first I've found) I feel much the
same way as Phil - though I do the $29US/month for the Easynews feeds
as I'm a big binary downloader and like their interface for finding
stuff from newsgroups I don't subscribe to (which I will subscribe to
if I find enough useful in a non-subscribed group).
I 125% agree with Phil on the demise of the archives ex-DejaNews -
which was for Usenet what the Wayback Machine is for the web.
I have wondered about the language in the purchase agreement when Google
bought DejaNews. In particular, would dropping a Big-8 newsgroup be a
violation of that agreement?
Google hasn't "dropped" SHWI, they've "blocked" it for spamming.
Entirely different things, just ask any lawyer.
The archive is inaccessible. If that isn't dropping, what is? I am
reminded of the saying about something that waddles like a duck, etc.
--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
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Robert Woodward ***@drizzle.com
Dimensional Traveler
2018-06-20 05:09:09 UTC
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Post by Phil McGregor
My ISP's last usenet server was mothballed around seven or eight years ago
and, since then, I have subscribed to the usneet feed from
news.individual.net through the Free University of Berlin which certainly
has alt.history.what-if ... it's around A$10 per year to
subscribe.
And it's probably worthwhile using a non-Google email/news program with it.
I have used Forte Agent for pretty much the entire time I have
been on the group, and it's reasonably priced and easy to set up. There are,
of course, other, free, usenet/email programs available that
would do the job.
Pity about the archives, though.
Phil
As I long time poster (04/94 was the first I've found) I feel much the
same way as Phil - though I do the $29US/month for the Easynews feeds
as I'm a big binary downloader and like their interface for finding
stuff from newsgroups I don't subscribe to (which I will subscribe to
if I find enough useful in a non-subscribed group).
I 125% agree with Phil on the demise of the archives ex-DejaNews -
which was for Usenet what the Wayback Machine is for the web.
I have wondered about the language in the purchase agreement when Google
bought DejaNews. In particular, would dropping a Big-8 newsgroup be a
violation of that agreement?
Google hasn't "dropped" SHWI, they've "blocked" it for spamming.
Entirely different things, just ask any lawyer.
The archive is inaccessible. If that isn't dropping, what is? I am
reminded of the saying about something that waddles like a duck, etc.
Well, that's because you're not thinking like a lawyer. :)

Seriously though, I doubt there is any kind of provision in the purchase
contract of DejaNews that would restrict Google in any way from doing
anything they want with the archives and their contents. If they want
to wave magnets over the hard drives there is almost certainly nothing
anyone can do about it. Likewise if they decide to no longer carry
newsgroups. Precedent for _that_ has long since been established.

Google Groups has always been a really bad way of accessing Usenet for a
number of reasons. This is the reality of depending on them for it.
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Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
instinct are running screaming.
Pete Barrett
2018-07-02 20:25:49 UTC
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Post by Robert Woodward
The archive is inaccessible. If that isn't dropping, what is? I am
reminded of the saying about something that waddles like a duck, etc.
You can't _browse_ or _post_, but you can still _search_ for threads.
If you click Continue to the Group button on the Banned Content Warning
page, then type, say, 'Caesar' into the Search for Messages control, you
can get all the threads which mention Caesar.

Not ideal, but OK if you know what you're looking for.
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Pete BARRETT
a425couple
2018-06-18 16:29:42 UTC
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Post by David Tenner
If this post gets through--the majority of my recent atttmepted posts to SHWI
haven't--I would like to suggest switching to alt.history.what-if, which
Google has not (yet) killed.
OK. For what little it may be worth, I'm now subscribed there,
and might post, or reply, if I get interested in something.
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